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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2009, 02:36:18 PM »

Nothing in that story is unnecessary. Just because you feel it isn't, doesn't mean it is, though the fact that you apperently didn't understand might have done with your level of enjoyment. You may not understand why it's neccesary, but it is.

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Dr. Manhatten's revelation which involves a comparison of turning oxygen into gold with something that is a very common occurrence
Sigh... It wasn't that hard to see why he felt it was rare. Infact, he even explained it. The OCCURANCE of life is common, but the occurance that it is that EXACT person is not. Out of all humans in the world, all the sperm fighting for that egg, it was that ONE in a million billion trillion chance that you are who you are. Attention to detail.

Dude... spoilers.

THE REST OF MY POST WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS

The way I interpreted it was he was referring about how The Comedian screwed her mom and ended up creating something beautiful. That's not too rare. What you said makes more sense, but the way Manhatten delivered the lines made it seem like he was being more general or something. I dunno.

And when I said extremely corny and unnecessary I meant stuff like the godawfully awkward sex scene that was unbelievably corny, and her hitting the flame button when he orgasms. Completely unnecessary to add stupid crap like that. Them having sex may be important, but that scene was ridiculously corny with elements that shouldn't have been included.

You have to understand that as a standalone film from the perspective of someone who didn't read the novel a lot of the stuff was just weird.
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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2009, 09:27:03 PM »

SPOILERS!!!!

Again - he explains it pretty much word for word for what I say. The idea that Laurie's mom was almost raped in the 50's and then forgives the man and falls in love with him enough to have sex with him and then the idea of millions of sperm - etc etc is something he speaks of.

Let me quote you exactly what he said.

"And yet, in each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie odds by countless generations against the odds of your ancestors being alive; meeting; siring this precise son; that exact daughter until your mother loves a man she has every reason to hate, and of that union, of the thousand million children competing for fertilization, it was you, only you, that emerged."

It doesn't get anymore self explanatory.

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You have to understand that as a standalone film from the perspective of someone who didn't read the novel a lot of the stuff was just weird.
It wasn't added. It's not even that corny. It's even symbolic how much Dan is tied so into his hero persona. Without it, he's not whole. Notice how Dan cannot have sex with Laurie, but once Dan is complete and has adopted the persona of Niteowl and her of Silk Spectre, he is able to have something that becomes perfectly natural to us. There's more to address in that complaint, but honestly? I don't feel like explaining EVERY little thing that you didn't get. If these are genuine questions, I'll do my best to answer em, but if these are just complaints, you can do your own research.

It wasn't that it was weird, it's you're approaching this with the wrong mindset. Most movies aren't ment to be visually engaging with symbolism in every frame and action. I repeat. Nothing done in this movie, much like the comic, was done without purpose. If you found something weird or didn't understand, it's probably because you didn't catch something or didn't put something together. It's not the movie that's weird or bad, it's you not being able to connect the dots. Don't blame the movie for your failings as it has nothing to do with reading the comic. I know many people who have yet to read the comic who understood alot of this. Again, not your fault for not getting all this - I have no doubt it takes repeat viewings, but don't try to put negative quality to this film because of things that are your own fault, especially when in the first case it was explained verbatim.
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2009, 05:43:44 PM »

Wow... you lost all credibility you had going for you when you said the ship firing flames when Dan orgasms isn't corny.
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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2009, 09:45:27 PM »

Says the guy who has the "The World Ends with You" icon.

See, I can play that game too. I logically explained why it's in the story and you just wanna pass it off with a personal attack on "My credibility." Honestly? Piss off.
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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2009, 02:41:30 AM »

I still need to see this damn movie. I wanna argue too... Sad
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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2009, 02:55:19 PM »

I really enjoyed Watchmen, good story and characters, great visuals, and lots of blue penis. Can't go wrong with that.  Tongue

I actually enjoyed the song choices, granted they were placed at odd times in the story.
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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2009, 10:59:56 PM »

... I liked hearing some Leonard Cohen too.
Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise for those of us that stayed in the bloody theatre until the end of the credits
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« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2009, 09:30:41 PM »

Says the guy who has the "The World Ends with You" icon.

See, I can play that game too. I logically explained why it's in the story and you just wanna pass it off with a personal attack on "My credibility." Honestly? Piss off.

You are trying to argue that a chick hitting a button to fire a flame from a ship while a guy orgasms in a semi serious movie is extremely important and necessary. I have a The World Ends With You avatar because I like the game.

Clearly... that comparison makes no sense considering I'm not arguing the game is good and it is essential and important in the gaming world. I just have an avatar because I like the game. You lose credibility because you are arguing that something is absolutely important and necessary and anyone who disagrees is wrong. It would have made more sense if you claimed I lost credibility because I claim that the fire is unnecessary and corny and anyone who disagrees with my sentiments is wrong. That would have been a much better analogy.

*Edit- I changed this post a lot to better convey my thoughts, but for the TL:DR I used the phrase 'you lost credibility' as a snide way of saying I disagree and this post was just a confusing ramble. But really I'm sorry it came off as a super dick comment; it was my way of exiting a debate I didn't see an end to anytime soon.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2009, 06:46:25 PM »

I suppose that's fair enough. Lets agree to disagree.
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2009, 07:59:21 PM »

Sounds good. And sorry the post came over completely dickish. I tend to do that then realize way too late how much of a jerk I was.

Also, I think if I do see it again (which I can guarantee will happen, just a matter of when) I'll be in a better mindset as to what the movie is and enjoy it much more.
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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2009, 07:16:09 PM »

Eh, I wasn't that impressed. The change to the ending was dumb.
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