Whos about sick of democrats and republicans

[wrldstrman]

Im about sick of watching the news and hearing about the democrats did this the republicans did that..Fact is all the democrats and republicans are rich and are mainly in goverment for their own benifit...wonder when or if the middle and poor classes will ever stand up and make changes..And no I dont belive the democrats are for the poor anymore than Bush isnt a oil man.

[SFS]

There is one universal truth in American politics.  Both parties are win oriented.  Not issue oriented.

[Tynstar]

Politics suck ass. Doesn't matter what party they are all crooks.

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

Yeah, it's time for a revolution against this fucking aristocracy.

At the very least it looks like change is coming. The democrats are completely insane about everything and the Republicans are becoming based more and more on social and religious issues which are leading to even bigger government which we sure as hell shouldn't want.

True politics have become null and void as far as the Dems and Reps are concerned, it's all abortion this and gay that. It is indeed all about the winning, as SFS said.

But in the next couple of years I believe another party will rise, I don't know what it's goals will be, I can only hope it's the libertarians.

[chrisbid]

But in the next couple of years I believe another party will rise, I don't know what it's goals will be, I can only hope it's the libertarians.

why?  so there can be no corporate regulation, and we can return to the gilded age?

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

I wish things would just collapse, it'd be so much more exciting.

But anyways, if we have the same structure of Government as we currently have, here's what I want the Government to do for me.

A) Stop giving money to every loser who asks for it

B) Stop all this foreign crap, aiding other countries and fighting their wars. I know we're good people and want all the world to be as peaceful and fruity as our country but, if we look back at history, there is only one way to do this, by conquering the hell out of them. Which hardly ever leads to a true peace anyways.

C) Stop taxing me for A) and B)

D) Leave me the hell alone

The part that comes closest to these things, the party who's for getting the governments nose out of every little thing, is the Libertarian party.

If I had my way we'd elect our officials through selective lottery, as would happen in a true democracy.

[chrisbid]

by far the biggest tax expenditure is defense, if you removed A and B from your taxes, youd hardly notice a difference

i agree with D, but the biggest threat to personal freedom is not government, its the private sector.  the vast majority of peoples lives are dictated to them by their employer, what to wear, what to say, what clothes you can wear, what prescription drugs you can take, what doctors you can see, when to wake up in the morning, what you can say, etc.  like it or not,  government is the only true outlet that can limit the influence

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

No, not by far is the biggest expenditure defense. It maybe is the biggest 'single' category by itself, I don't really feel like perusing the federal spending website for proof, but social security and health and human resources, or whatever it's called, take most of the cake. Foreign affairs are relatively minor, but I still don't think we should mess with sovereign nations unless we're going to conquer them.

As far as employers are concerned, it's a capitalist country, they can, or should be allowed to, do whatever the fuck they want. If they are unfair to their employees then it is the employee's right to quit, if all the employees quit then the company will either go out of business or revise its whatever, company rules. That's how it should work.

But when the government starts making all these rules that the employers have to follow, the country moves towards socialism. And I sure as hell don't want that.

[chrisbid]

at their very cores, pure capitalism and pure democracy cannot coexist.  (you cannot legally buy or sell your vote), so one or the other must be trimmed to come up with the hybrid our system uses.

the constitution only establishes a republic (represenative democracy), and makes no specific mention of a free market.  it establishes rights and freedoms for citizens, and vests a government to protect those rights.  the only limit to personal freedom is when one citizen impedes on the rights of another.  the government stops this by enacting and enforcing laws.

over the years, the same personal freedom that citizens enjoy has been extended to corporations, with that freedom comes the same resposibility of not impedeing on the rights of other corporations OR people, and the government has the same responsibility to legislate when freedoms and rights are being violated.

[SFS]

I wish the US was a fascist state.

[Rejinx]

There is one universal truth in American politics.  Both parties are win oriented.  Not issue oriented.

I agree

I wish the US was a fascist state.

I don't agree

[wrldstrman]

Like it was said the problem with the US is the poor and middle class tolerate the rich. your right in saying the only way change can come about would be for the employees to walk out and for others not to come in and take their job...thats the biggest problem in the US employers can say if you quit theres 100 other people that would take your job. Which is the truth. So until the poor stand together we have to live by the upper classes rules..I had a sociology teacher say the only way change would ever happen is if the goverment would do away with all the welfare and programs that give crumbs to the poor.

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

Wow, you actually had a sensible sociology teacher. That's awesome.

And maybe a little facsism would do us good. A nice few year run that sets everyone straight. Then we can go back to whatever.

[SFS]

The poor and middle class should work hard, not try to get as much as they can for as little as they can.  THat is why they are the poor and middle class.

[chrisbid]

The poor and middle class should work hard, not try to get as much as they can for as little as they can.  THat is why they are the poor and middle class.

that is a myth, hard work alone does not equal success.  ask any migrant