Fahrenheit 9/11

[Lord Nepenthean]

IQ tests really don't mean a thing, except that they can predict how well a person will *probably* do in a school setting.  Ask any psychologist under the sun and they'll tell you that they mean absolutely nothing otherwise.

[thx1138]

II hate I.Q tests, I can't do those shape puzzles at all. I am, despite my terrible spelling and typos on the board, quite good at the English questions.

Anyway, my point about this movie, is that I don't think it is a good movie at all.

Birth of a Nation for example, altough racist and bigotted in the extreme,   is a good movie  - I can stand back from my own views and beliefs, and say that Birth of a Nation is a good film.

Wheras, even if I allow my anti-war, socialist views to influence my opinion of Fahrenehite 9/11 - I still don't think that it is a good film.

Simple as that - it's a poor movie.

[Izret101]

i misunderstood you point on stating Bush's iq then.
But i was just trying to say that your iq means nothing. It is just a guess on you potential.
I dont care now because i cant do anything to change what is happnening but i have to care when i get older because it will effect me.
Everyone who can vote is being effected by some desicions that were made before they could could vote. So i have no decision on possible laws, because i am not an adult i have no say in what could effect me.
And i will not post long posts anymore that late at night i went over it before i posted it and thought i had gotten it pretty legible but apparently i was wrong.

[Arrrhalomynn]

I saw this movie in the cinema tonight and I have no idea why all americans get so upset about this.  Maybe he doesn't get all his sources right, and of course he looks at the facts from his own point of view, but does that change anything about the facts that ARE true? And that form the ' plot'  of this documentary?

Bush did fuck up before the attacks on 9/11 by not listening to his advisors, Bush is friends with powerfull saudi's, the patriot act is an apalling piece of shit, bush and cheney do have ties with companies that profit from the war, Iraq was no threat, there were no weapons of mass destruction and no ties between Iraq and Al quaida.  In short: Bush and his government fucked up.

I would love to get some sources that claim otherwise, because unlike the Moore haters on this board (especially antimind), I'm not afraid to look at something from a different point of view.

And I'm not saying this is a great documentary. There are some parts that had better been left out, the woman that kept crying over her lost son for example, or the happy images of iraq before the bombing. But everybody with an iq over 60 is smart enough to form his own opinion about  this and not just buy what Moore seems to imply. Besides, Moore isn't the most serious person, so it's not like you should take his documentaries too seriously.

[Lord Nepenthean]

I couldn't agree more.