Fahrenheit 9/11

[thx1138]

Well, I saw the film last night, I am interested in current affairs, politics and history, and I do like documentaries.

I did not think that it was a very good film at all, Michael Moore just seemed to rant, the documentary was too disjointed for my liking, and there was too much histrionics. Some of the content was irrelevant too.

For example, Michael Moore was filming outside of the Saudi embassy. Now, I myself think that Saudi Arabia has a terrible human rights record, but I don't think that there is anything wrong with the American Secret Service going up to a film crew outside of a foreign embassy and politely asking them what they are doing. Security for foreign diplomats isn't sinister, it's common sense.

Nor do I think that there is anything odd about the armed forces being pro-active in recruiting - nothing suprising about a recruiting office having a "business card" with a phone number and e-mail on it - really.

Nor do I think it helped interviewing the couple of people whos children had been killed fighting for the US in Iraq - it seemed to be almost exploitation to me.

It could have been so much better, so much more could have been made with the material available, but Moore seemed to use a "scatter gun" approach by blasting at Bush with as much political spin as he could muster, it seemed to be less a decent film, and more of a political broadcast by the Michael Moore ego party. A lot of the time Moore just came out with statements, and provided little evidence to back it up.

Which is a shame, I wanted to like the film, I wanted to agree with Michael Moore, but a lot of the time I just couldn't.

[Izret101]

Thats the first time i have ever heard that opinion every other time i hadheard anyone say anything about it they said that it was completely false and he took things out of context and the other was that it was a real eye opener to what our president is really doing. I wanted to see it when it came out but that was mostly because of the seen where Bush says "I think all the world leaer should come together to help restabilize Iraq, Now watch me make this putt."(it was something to that effect) but the more i heard about it the less intereseting it seemed.

[Mike Leon]

That scene is a perfect example of what THX was saying too. What is wrong with the President making a comment about the war while playing golf? There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Moore just tries to make it look like it's some terrible thing. This is just another example of Michael Moore generating his own facts because he has nothing truly substantial to show.

[den68]

I can't comment on this movie because I have not seen it. I have seen parts of Bowling for Columbine and Roger and Me. I don't think you can really call a MIchael Moore film a true documentary. isn't a documentary just a presentation of facts? Michael Moore presents the material in a way that supports his view of the story. Michael Moore movies are not true documentaries in that they are not unbiased presentations of known facts but rather presented in a manner to illicit a strong response.

not that there's anything wrong with that. it's just important to know that what you're seeing is not straight reporting but more of an op/ed piece.

[Antimind]

I haven't seen it personally but I've gotten the play-by-play from a few Moore fans. I understand there's a part in the film where the screen is blank and you simply hear the planes hitting the WTC? If this is true (and from what I've heard of the film) I think the lil bitch skipped putting the video of the planes crashin so that gullible people would listen to that while thinking of the last images in their head: whatever Moore planted, and getting upset over it. The -typical- response to seeing the planes hit the WTC is anger and/or fear so I feel that it's a big ol mindfuck on Moore's part. Why didn't he just show the video? Cause if he showed the video maybe, just maybe people would get angry and feel that Bush did something right.

I've heard people say that they hated it and it's a piece of shit as well as those who said it was wonderful and they cried and cheered. You guys are correct, it's just one man's view. Those who were truly "touched" by this film are nothing more than weak, gullible, pathetic, mindless sack of skin. I just can't bring myself to go see it. Far as I'm concenred Moore is a communist and I will not support anything of the sort.

[Arrrhalomynn]

I hear a lot of people complaining, like Den, that Michael Moore doesn't make documentaries because there's a lot of his own opinion in it. But isn't that the case with every documentary? ' This car is great' , ' the holocaust was bad' , ' the police is corrupt' .  A documentary is all about showing what the maker finds important and explaining that in a way he thinks is right.

And while I haven't seen fahrenheit yet, I'll probably agree with Den. I downloaded his tv show a while back and while it's pretty funny, he usually pushes his ideas too far. Just when he's making a good point he tries to make it even better, but ends up making it worse. In the end I still think it's good to have an activist like him to stand up for all the idiots in the usa, but he's a bit of an idiot himself as well, sometimes.

[den68]

I wasn't complaining and sure, all documentaries are somewhat biased. after all, the victors do write the history. but you gotta admit there is a vast difference in how the material is presented in a Michael Moore documentary and one you'd see on the History Channel. I could be wrong but I'm guessing his intent is to get people riled up.

[Izret101]

The more drastic his approach is the more it will get talked about i think this is what he was trying to do and you all fell right into his little plan

[Lord Nepenthean]

I haven't seen it personally but I've gotten the play-by-play from a few Moore fans. I understand there's a part in the film where the screen is blank and you simply hear the planes hitting the WTC? If this is true (and from what I've heard of the film) I think the lil bitch skipped putting the video of the planes crashin so that gullible people would listen to that while thinking of the last images in their head: whatever Moore planted, and getting upset over it. The -typical- response to seeing the planes hit the WTC is anger and/or fear so I feel that it's a big ol mindfuck on Moore's part. Why didn't he just show the video? Cause if he showed the video maybe, just maybe people would get angry and feel that Bush did something right.

I'm almost positive that he did show the viedo of the planes hitting the trade center.  I could be wrong, but either way you're making way too big of a thing about this.

Those who were truly "touched" by this film are nothing more than weak, gullible, pathetic, mindless sack of skin.

Those who make blanket statements like this about millions of people without actually SEEING THE FILM should take a minute to think before they speak.

Far as I'm concenred Moore is a communist

He has worked on the campaigns of Ralph Nader and Wesley Clark.  Are they communists too?  And so what if they or Moore were?  The whole point of this country is to be able to be what you want and say what you want.  I came back from Peru more or less a socialist.  You gonna stop talking to me too?  Want to write a letter to Bush to tell him to keep any eye on me?  PLEASE.

Besides, going to the movie supports capitalism, thus making your boycott completely ridiculous, null, and void.

[Mike Leon]

Everyone disregard the last post.

[Hydrobond]

No Mike, not going to the movie supports capitalism; voting through your money.

I think what you meant to say is that going to the movie supports the economy, which I can't argue against.

Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism
Pronunciation: 'ka-p&-t&l-"iz-&m, 'kap-t&l-, British also k&-'pi-t&l-
Function: noun
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

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Going to the movie just supports the moore's fat ass.  

[thx1138]

He I AM a socialist.

I just don't like the movie.

[Antimind]

I've seen enough of his "work" *laff* to know that this movie is utter crap without having seen it. I can get the gist just from what I've read and heard about it: Moore tries to prove his so-called points to no end, points fingers, blames the wrong people, and gains praise from masses of blind fools and tree huggin hippies. No thanks, I can think of a better way to waste my money.

Going to the movie just supports the moore's fat ass.

Fair point. And seriously, does the guy look like he really needs more money to buy more cheetos?...lmfao

[2D-Forever]

I have seen it, and I have opinions, which every american citizen should have. (meaning form their own damn opinions, not meaning they have mine.)

Bushbash 9/11 is a comedy, not a documentary.  There is nothing particularly wrong with comunism. The soviet model was a corrupt dictatorship.  Vote with your dollar; vote Nader.

[Mike Leon]

Everyone should vote Nader. He is easily the best choice in this election.