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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2008, 04:30:30 PM »

The other advantages besides have a nice professional disc and case with a row of decals (not in pic) are the fact it's a factory pressed disc not a burnt one. Burnt discs are more prone to a shorter lifespan that factory pressed ones. The manufacture process is different, and factory are more scratch resistant and are more resistant to sun damage.

Handy if you travel, no need to worry whether older drives are picky about burnt optical media as some tend to be, and when using ubuntu's shipit service you can order multiple discs in different configs all of the same quality. Worth the wait versus a 15 minute download IMO.

When will you ever be in a situation where you are line "Oh shi.. I NEEDs tah put me some linux on this computer from 15 years ago yo.  I just wish I didn't take all of my CDs to the tanning bed with me cucka.  Bitch, I am abouts to blow this shit up RIGHT MOTHER FUCKING NOW!  Fuck waiting the 15 minutes to downloads that shit cracka."

When?  because I know what is going to happen.

You are going to download it, and it is going to sit i some box with all your other outdated CDs that you will never use again, but don't want to throw away.

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2008, 04:55:06 PM »

If I can figure out how to set up my internet connection I'd be good for a week or two. Thank god I've got a few files backed up that are work related.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2008, 05:15:55 PM »

The other advantages besides have a nice professional disc and case with a row of decals (not in pic) are the fact it's a factory pressed disc not a burnt one. Burnt discs are more prone to a shorter lifespan that factory pressed ones. The manufacture process is different, and factory are more scratch resistant and are more resistant to sun damage.

Handy if you travel, no need to worry whether older drives are picky about burnt optical media as some tend to be, and when using ubuntu's shipit service you can order multiple discs in different configs all of the same quality. Worth the wait versus a 15 minute download IMO.

When will you ever be in a situation where you are line "Oh shi.. I NEEDs tah put me some linux on this computer from 15 years ago yo.  I just wish I didn't take all of my CDs to the tanning bed with me cucka.  Bitch, I am abouts to blow this shit up RIGHT MOTHER FUCKING NOW!  Fuck waiting the 15 minutes to downloads that shit cracka."

When?  because I know what is going to happen.

You are going to download it, and it is going to sit i some box with all your other outdated CDs that you will never use again, but don't want to throw away.

 - When's the last time you seen a copy of Win98 for sale?
 - Thousands of PII's and PIII's out there that needs OS's that are too slow for XP.
 - Linux live CDs also make great hardware diagnostics tools.
 - Still a lot of folks who don't have the bandwidth to download large files like that.
 - Once you upgrade to the next version you can give the older disc away to someone who has never used Linux. No install = worry free experimentation with it.
 - Great for traveling because you can use a fimilar OS on a foreign PC without worrying about leaving cookies, or history or passwords.

Someone has an old PC they want to find a use for. Maybe a dial-up net surfing machine at the cottage, a web machine for a child or grandchild, school, library, community center.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2008, 07:08:46 PM »

Yeah look at me! Got the internet connected now to try and fix my disc issues later.
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2008, 10:21:47 AM »

- When's the last time you seen a copy of Win98 for sale?

I am guessing 1998?  What is your point.

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Thousands of PII's and PIII's out there that needs OS's that are too slow for XP.
Anyone who is smart enough to install linix is going to have a computer made before 1995, so the optical drive issue is mute.


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Linux live CDs also make great hardware diagnostics tools.
OK.  so why do you need a pressed copy?
 
- Still a lot of folks who don't have the bandwidth to download large files like that.

 Then why would you use linux.  I don't know about you, but I have to update every other day. And wait, what the fuck does that have to sending a pressed CD.


- Once you upgrade to the next version you can give the older disc away to someone who has never
used Linux. No install = worry free experimentation with it.

Why would they install an old OS when you can downloaded and burn a new one.


 
- Great for traveling because you can use a familiar OS on a foreign PC without worrying about leaving cookies, or history or passwords.


So you are going to keep your old pressed CD that has an OS with potentiality dated security flaws.

Someone has an old PC they want to find a use for. Maybe a dial-up net surfing machine at the cottage, a web machine for a child or grandchild, school, library, community center.
If it can't run XP, then it should not be on the internet.  The proliferation of flash is the reason.
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2008, 11:34:39 AM »

- When's the last time you seen a copy of Win98 for sale?

I am guessing 1998?  What is your point.

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Thousands of PII's and PIII's out there that needs OS's that are too slow for XP.
Anyone who is smart enough to install linix is going to have a computer made before 1995, so the optical drive issue is mute.


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Linux live CDs also make great hardware diagnostics tools.
OK.  so why do you need a pressed copy?
 
- Still a lot of folks who don't have the bandwidth to download large files like that.

 Then why would you use linux.  I don't know about you, but I have to update every other day. And wait, what the fuck does that have to sending a pressed CD.


- Once you upgrade to the next version you can give the older disc away to someone who has never
used Linux. No install = worry free experimentation with it.

Why would they install an old OS when you can downloaded and burn a new one.


 
- Great for traveling because you can use a familiar OS on a foreign PC without worrying about leaving cookies, or history or passwords.


So you are going to keep your old pressed CD that has an OS with potentiality dated security flaws.

Someone has an old PC they want to find a use for. Maybe a dial-up net surfing machine at the cottage, a web machine for a child or grandchild, school, library, community center.
If it can't run XP, then it should not be on the internet.  The proliferation of flash is the reason.

I'll try and tackle this again with a few rebuttals because I feel generous today, despite the easy answer I had posted earlier which would've suited me just fine:

At least 20-25% of PCs on the net right now are 1gig and older systems with thousands of them for sale used just about everywhere. A 600mhz PIII can hardly run XP under most circumstances, so it's Linux or a burnt copy of an obsolete OS. Most of those same systems are on dial-up which stubbornly refuses to die as a service, especially in remote areas.

Many older systems have picky optical drives that depending on the brand of drive and disc can cause read errors on burnt media. This is even more so on those older systems I had mentioned. Many older systems have burners that predate buffer underrun protection and wouldn't be ideal for burning something as important as an operating system.

Pressed discs have the foil layer of the disc between two layers of plastic while burnt discs have the foil closer to the surface. Burnt discs can be sun damaged and are more prone to read errors because of scratches.

Some ISPs have download limits per month, why waste 700 meg or a gig or two if you don't have to?

If you've ever used Linux before, you'd know that different versions offer different advantages, even older ones. Sometimes the best fix for a problematic copy is to revert to an older one that may have better compatibility. Never underestimate the difference the kernel version can have.

As far as traveling, If your in a hotel that you can't get a net connection in your room but they have public terminals, you can use a Live CD to surf the web. It leaves no tracking information nor passwords because it doesn't use the HDD at all. Same goes for schools, libraries etc.

Take ubuntu for example, each version is supported for a year or two after it's been released regardless of how many versions come after. So there's no worry of security flaws not being addressed. You can use their shipit service over an over again for each new version, so why not have a nice looking copy without the black marker? Enjoy the free decals, the free pressed disc with it's own case, and order a few copies to share with people you know?

Don't get me wrong, I download distros as well as order them via disc. I just prefer the discs more. Even ordering 4 copies for free saves you a buck and an hour of your time from downloading, burning and buying discs.
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2008, 12:25:27 PM »

Way to handle that reply with class, Tan. It's something your counterpart apparently doesn't quite understand yet.
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2008, 02:22:28 PM »

Way to handle that reply with class, Tan. It's something your counterpart apparently doesn't quite understand yet.

Well my first response wasn't so classy, then I figured maybe a few other people would want a sensible answer for their own curiosity. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2008, 12:38:11 AM »

Ubuntu is extremely easy, and has brought Linux distros to a whole new level.
An easy level, for once.
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