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Well some of you might have read my birthday thread.

http://www.rfgeneration.com/forum/index.php?topic=7962.0

But now my PS3 is a POS3.  It won't recognize any disc and states that they are corrupted.

Luckily Gamestop took it back and exchanged it.  BUT, I had to get the new PS3 80 gig that doesn't have backwards compatibility, sd slot, pro duo slot, or compact flash slot, and only has 2 usb ports instead of 4.  So basically I got a cheap @$$ version of my original 80 gig MGS4 pack.

They did however give me a 108 gift card for the difference in price.

It just sucks that they don't make the MGS4 version anymore, or even have a backwards compatible one.   

Oh man that really sucks. I'm sorry to hear that.

How odd indeed. My friend's MGS4 PS3 Bundle Crapped out the same way... Hmmm...  :hmm:

That's sad to hear; they really should be able to provide customers with the same version they bought  :-\

What was the difference with the MGS4 bundle version compared to the others on the market?

He just said what's different about it :P

Wow, that sucks. Breakdowns like that are the major reason I haven't bought a PS3 or 360 yet.
Maybe you could trade someone your new 80GB PS3 for a used MGS4 version?

Same here. I don't want to pay €400 for a machine that might break down 1 month later. I'll probably get one of the two in a year/year and a half though.

That's a solution indeed, but why would anybody want to trade in their "non-cheap ass" PS3 for one that lacks all the above?

Because this one is new theirs is used. Or he could sweeten the deal with a little extra money, maybe that $108 gift card or some games he doesn't want anymore.

Ah, I see your point.

Sorry to hear about your PS3 Cverz2

Man that really sucks about them not giving you the same version.

That really stinks, sorry about that man.

PS3 now a POS3 = pure comical genious :)

Just a little FYI on the MGS4 PS3 Bundle...

They are actually more prone to breakdowns than other versions. I dunno why exactly, but they are...

Sony has only been removing features from the PS3. The good PS3s are only going to go up in price, not down.

Man, they don't make things durable like they used to, am I right?

Yes, you're right.

But it's not all the fault of these companies. The way data is stored/read has alot to do with it aswell. Optical disk drives (and hard drives) simply don't last as long as older, more simple cartridge systems do.

I blame the companies... at least until my Mega-CD or Saturn eventually dies out.

Heh...good point. :P

Ironic isn't it? Cartridge systems are more reliable hardware-wise, but cartridges themselves suffer from bit-rot. Meanwhile disc systems are known to be less reliable yet the discs will outlive their owners. :P

My brother has been through two replacements of the PS3 in less a little more than one year.  He has the 80 GB model and both errors came from the Blue-ray disc drive not being able to read 70% of the games (PS3).

Bit rot is largely a myth. And even if true, some theories claim that CDs will degrade faster than other forms of storage.

I've heard of many instances of bit-rot being the cause of non-working carts that are 25-30 years old. Could be because of the manufacturing processes at the time who knows. Perhaps some forms of EPROM are more susceptible than others.

As far as CDs, bronzing and discoloration isn't as big as issue as it once was in the early 90's but from time to time I've heard instances of cloudy discoloration. In fact a friend of mine had to send his Wii copy of Zelda for a replacement for that very reason.

Of course I'm sure all of these CD/DVD devices will be long broken before anyone has to worry about the media degrading anyway. Hell it's hard to find a good PS2 or Xbox even now let alone Saturns, Duos or Sega CDs. :P

The more advanced the technology, the easier it breaks, and the harder it is to fix.

That seems to be almost always true.

The higher we climb the further we fall.

Pfft, hearing things like that really makes me not want to buy a 360/PS3. :(

It's almost like playing console-lottery. You might buy a model that'll last "forever", or you might buy one that breaks down within a month. :-\

I'd have to see another price cut (or maybe even 2) for both, before I'm going to spend all that money on one.

Tan linked this in the IRC : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3#Retail_configurations
Sony is only removing features from the PS3 as time goes on.

I hate to point it out again, but if the only reason you haven't picked up a PS3 yet is because you are waiting for a price cut, you're going to get screwed over. You'll end up with a crappy model PS3 that doesn't do anything.

If you're waiting to get one because there aren't games you want on it yet or whatever, then make sure you set aside extra money when you do go to buy one for one of the good models.

Backwards compatibility on the system is awesome. There is so much room for virtual memory cards, and when I'm going to go play a game elsewhere, I can easily copy saves to and from my PS3 to the original PS2 / PS1 memory cards.

You can thank Tony (Tondog) for pointing that article out to me. It's quite sad to see them stripping the system piece by piece. Pretty soon the average Blu-Ray player will have more features than a PS3 :P

Doesn't paint a pretty picture for modern gaming, does it?

You're totally right. And yeah it's quite sad to see how they're taking away more and more features from the PS3. What's next? No more Blu-ray drive, lol? :P

But really, the november 2006 model (which was only released for NTSC regions :() had the actual Emotion Engine chip inside. The 2007 models use software emulation for the backwards compatibility (not great, but still something) and the current models aren't backwards compatible at all!!! >:(

This is quite annoying, I knew about the card slots but not of the backward compatibility being gone.

Geez! Talk about changes! Good chart, though.

All I know is that the price point is still too high, imo. I'm waiting to see where they are as far as a software library when they eventually drop it down to $199.99. Maybe God of War 3 will be out by then. 8)

Yeah, I went from a Media center, with ALL the "Bells and Whistles" to a stripped down video game console.

I went and bought a 4 gig SD card. And now I have to download it through my computer to my jump drive "THAT I HAD TO GO BUY" , and then download to my PS3
.

You shouldn't have taken the system back to the store, you should have gone through Sony.

Yeah, I know.  I just didn't want to get a refurbished PS3 that will probably only last a few years.     :-\

A few years would already be better than only a few weeks. ;)

But all jokes aside, I feel your pain. There really isn't an "ultimate" solution to a thing like this.