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how many people here have reproductions and what do you have?
heres the ones i have
airball
escape from atlantis
chronicles or radia war
earthworm jim 2
Earthworm jim 3
joy mech fight
boogerman
Ys II
earthbound

and i'm also getting soon
Tekken 3
splatterhouse WG

Damn, that's a lot to blow on Repros :)  I would get some repros but after thinking about it I decided I'd much rather save up for a real copy of Recca.

I have a repro NWC cart just for the novelty of it. I played it a few times. I like it more as collected than playable.

Earthbound Zero
Just Breed

Nice repro collection :)

I have the following for NES:

NWC repro (first batch with different manual)
Sudoku grey (original limited release in tin can)
Sudoku retrozone release -1 variant
Sudoku retrozone release -2 variant
Airball
PowerPak Lite
Stadium Events NTSC April Fool's edition
Color Caves (music on NES cart)
Vegavox (also music on NES cart)

and I have three more on the way to me right now:  Tower of Radia numbered, and Glider regular release + special edition release.  I'm definitely gonna pick up a copy of Chunkout 2 as well, which was just released...been thinking about getting some of those other reproductions like Earthworm etc, but as a collector they're less appealing in the short term as they're not limited in any way (created on demand).  I do pick up NES carts with original software on it, but I dunno if I'd consider that stuff "homebrew" (aka hacks, game ports, etc). 

I also have the Eurocon demo from Eurocon 2007 (I think that's an Atari 2600 repro). 

recently i picked up
Free Fall  on an agi death race board
sonic the Hedgehog

what is a reproduction cart exactly?

I dunno how to explain it, really, but for instance there's this guy (http://nesreproductions.com/) that makes them by having you send in an existing NES cart and he puts a new ROM on it, so you can play it on your NES.  It's usually done for games that were never released on carts, like betas, fan translations, and ROM hacks.  I myself was gonna pick up Earthbound Zero and Super Mario Bros. 2 Japanese version, but then the guy decided to stop until September... so I'll order them then.

Other times it's a copy of a popular game that may be too expensive for the average collector/gamer to afford, i.e. the famous 1990 Nintendo World Championships Gold cartridge or say Final Fantasy 1 for the NES.

Personally, I don't care for these type of reproductions. It's fine when they make it obvious it's a reproduction (like making the case clear, or just putting a disclaimer on the label) but it's only a matter of time until some asshole starts making NWC carts that look identical to the real thing.

I agree, it's right up there with resealing games as far as I'm concerned. Neat in theory for those not caring about authenticity, but can easily be used for shady business too.

A repo is a pirated game basically. The buyer is too dumb to say hey that is the same exact thing as downloading the rom and buying a special controller to play the game afar like normal.

If you can get it for dirt cheap then maybe it will be worth something but remember the original supplier could just hang back and wait for the day when making back up copies ( fake repro's / pirated  ) becomes a value.

Think of it for people who is too obssesed, too poor, too snooby to use a emulator and does not have a true copy solution.


copy solution

Mulitcarts...have been around since the Famicom days and standard floppy discs have been around. These are basically a whole bunch of games with graphics removed from them to fit them on a flashed ( eppee rom ) chiped.

NES ( famicom ) some have flip sides activated by holding buttons down when resetting.

Any cart system has what is called a Copy device. These can be sold from as low as 10-300 dollars. If your lucky you can find one cheap. However if your smart you will build one yourself.

Hu cards ( SMS  ,PCE ), NES ( that orange cart ), SNES/ Genesis ( hardware copy devices ), N64 , and so forth.

The PSX also has a hardware copy solution simular to the super gameboy.

CD systems....all discs can be copied with a direct recorder device, regular burner with correct settings, or even pass threw.

Also using AR to allow discs being written also helps.

Also dummy space is put on some DVD to make the game look big. When you can remove it.

Saturn, PSX, X-box, GCN

Pass threw..means that you can fool the system into loading the game files threw a internet connection cable like etherail.

GCN, PS3, and so forth...........

The point is.


reproductions is fake copies

However the person is lying about the cost of the reproduction since some arent willing to order from lesser suppliers.

A great example of a reproduction taken as a original game is.

[img width=300 height=453]http://www.racketboy.com/retro/beggarprince-cover.jpg[/img]

This game was basically a korean RPG ( like many chinese, indonesian games ) is unkown to most. People got together to translate the game and released it for sale in the USA.

However while people are tempted to buy reproductions these games
is made by somebody no diffrent then you and is not be taken as a NES  game in terms of value.

In terms of value it will be long long time before these games have any value.

Also these reproductions is not a true reproduction. A reproduction is a game that has been rereleased like..

[img width=342 height=486]http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050506/rez_packaging.jpg[/img]

This game has been officially rereleased dew to the high demand and value of it. It was repoduced by a company in the USA which is diffrent to the original source. This is a true reproduction

Another example is when a game is given a directors cut to show the diffrence between a release. A directors cut like the popular.

Resident Evil
Sonic DX

is basically the same game but with additional material. The directors cut is not the original in terms of collection value but has a vlaue of it's own.

then there is the collectors edition boxset. This is another way to reproduce something by dressing it up diffrently. It might have posters, tee-shirts,

FFVII: International Edition ...Anerversary edition
Rockman Aniversary collection
Sonic Gems.
Sonic Jam.
 

END OF LINE...


it's only a matter of time until some asshole starts making NWC carts that look identical to the real thing.

That is why these pirated copies should never be taken as true games or a real copy solution. If you dislike the people doing so then take action and report them to trade authority.

Lastly people have been making copies of original games for a long time but there is a way to tell the diffrence.

Beggar prince is not a reproduction, it's a licensed translation. Partially reprogrammed and officially a retail product, more in line with a licensed homebrew. It being a commerical product is the reason it's in our database. A reproduction is a copy of a game, Beggar Prince is a re-worked and translated game released worldwide, there's a huge difference.

I'll also mention that Rez is a re-printing done by Game Quest Direct and also not considered a reproduction, same with Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, Gitaroo Man, Persona 2 and Resident Evil 3 and others.

Also RF Generation doesn't condone or support piracy or other illegal activites mentioned by some of our members. Besides the legal implications, it kind of defeats the purpose of this website and it's goals, so anything said here by a member in regards to copyright infringement, is solely the opinion of that member and not of the community or staff as a whole. ;)

wow very informative and something else i had already known.

heres a quick question for you is it a reproduction if there was infact no physical copy to begin with?

are you condoning making copies or dumps using a "copy solution"?

I was editing my previous post as you typed this, I had to put some distance between us and RegalSin's comments. :P

not a problem

Once I found out the game was originally from another country, I said to hell


They said the same thing about Secret Of Evermore but yet people are convinced it is not Secret Of Mana. However this is no diffrent.

2. Chaning around somebody elses programming does not make it your own.
3. Hey there is Star Ocean/ Secret Of Mana II Translations floating around but everybody knows it is a pirate.
4. Getting papers does not make it a original game as with REZ being ranned off the assembley line like Tee-shirts made from all around the world with a signature.

5. Hey guess what it is not there game to begin with. It is somebody elses and they just translated, flashed it, and slap a cover on it and called it there own.

6. All the paperwork means is they can sell the game in a gamestore like Gamestop. Nothing more. Hella there is fully completed games out there being sold on the get go everyday that has no papers at all.


THE PAPERS JUST MAKE THIS A LICENSED COPY. THAT IS ALL.
It is not there own game period.

That is like if somebody took my music and changed the words around and got it licensed and the original person said hey that is my song.

Is the original creators of game getting anything out of this????

Eitherway Beggar Prince is a legal pirate.


No I was refering to solutions involing you with a recordable device that can read on the game system you are using. Take the NES flash card/ USB reader.
You can load games on the get go along with Swap tatics....which alot of people get ticked off knowing you need special settings.

These reproductions this whole topic about aren't repros ( like REZ ) they are pirated copies with a fancy name. They have no value whatesoever but only to collectors who can spot them as pirates.


Then close this topic and admit the "staff" agrees a true reproduction AKA rerelease is like REZ and these so called reproductions that uses game files ala roms is NO DIFFRENT THEN PIRATED GOODS

Then close this nono topic.

Ignore pretty much everything RegalSin said, he's just blowing smoke out of his ass. Beggar Prince is not a pirated game, in fact the Super Fighter Team and the original developer have a close relationship and were both involved in the game's re-release outside of Taiwan.

Damn, you just kept me from writing a very energetic post by saying what I wanted to say in a single paragraph minus a bunch of obscenities.

Stupid troll.  Someone needs to ban the &$%#er already...

I do want to say, though, that I agree with ONE thing RS said.  Reproductions don't have any real value, because yeah, they're fakes.  They only have what I guess you could call "virtual" value... sort of like "I've always wanted Game X for System X but it was never released... I'd pay this much for it!"

Can we take a vote on how many people want him banned? He has been here for about 2 weeks and has pissed a lot of people off, just because of stupid comments/rants that make no damn sense whatsoever!! He constantly lies and fails to even remotely admit that perhaps he is wrong.


And this comment... Well... Anyone with a brain could understand that you are an idiot, and that this topic was not supporting piracy. It was saying that "I have these repro games". Obviously, the people involved with this topic are not actually doing the pirating. And... (!) Tan is just saying that rfgen as a whole does not 'officially' support piracy, due to legal issues. Piracy is wrong, we get it. Now go learn to be civilized.

This is exactly what I am talking about. People who can't wing the wallet and decides buying one of these copys would do so instead getting an alternative solution like emulating on a Dreamcast or X-box.


Or what is known as Internet money which has no value as the same with net dollars. Now let me go back to my virtual gardening after get to the last stage of Virtual hussy  and Virtual kingpin but then I will decided to go into my virtual pool and play some virtual swimming lessons after finishing virtual fighter.

I just did a search on this RegalSin guy, and all I've gotta say is wow. Just wow. This guy is like the ultimate troll.

Did you search Youtube yet? ;)

I have. I swear, you name the forum, chances are RegalSin's already been there.

personally there is value in a reproduction its not monatary value or a collectors value its the satisfaction of acutally playing the game on an nes,snes,genesis, atari 2600...etc yourself.

"sort of like "I've always wanted Game X for System X but it was never released... I'd pay this much for it"

I've always wanted The game Free Fall for nes, but it was never released or even made into a cart before.

(if you don't know the history of the game it was compiled from a binary source code and was never put to a cart. also it is public domain)

BTW what happened to having a game to play for fun??

Well we have to be fair and let everyone have a chance to be a member of this community, it's only fair. His reputation over the last 9 years is well earned but we'll still give him the benefit of the doubt, that's why despite his combative and argumentative nature, he's still hanging on by a thread.

Jesus Christ... He has been banned from a previous site for being "Antisemitic". RegalSin is famous in the world of video game forums, being know for his strange way of talking, and his tenancy to be a damn troll. I say we give him a chance, but if shit continues, then the forum will become really weird to read. And if there is any racism on this site, I think that he should be permbanned immediately. Does anyone agree?

Do a search on Google for "RegalSin", and on youtube, and you'll know what I mean.  :( >:(

The problem with repro's is that they are great for people like us. who will get them for playing or just the "cool" factor.

But I have seen copies on Ebay of the Final Fantasy ones and many others going for rediculous amounts.   They are scamming innocent people who don't know any different.

They are advertising them as RARE, authentics.

And some of the ones I saw were being sold by reputable video game sellers.

OK I am done ranting.

Well show us, show us please ???


If they are reputable then let find out the eassssyy wayyy.

Show what? That there have been instances in the past where a reputable seller has sold a repro or bootleg? Because we can't. 95% of the time, these listings are removed. The other 5% of the time, do you honestly think we can dig up those auction pages anymore? Ask real questions please.

Well ?duh? use a brain  right??? Then the obvious thing most people would do when they see something out of the ordinary is to save a image of the auction, or if any pictures given to them they would surely save. Also if people is like oh this seller sold this copy then you should at least remember the name of the seller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhOV-pU911M

Priceless!!! :)

Yeah good times.