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Figured it was about time to start this, but now that I'm doing it, I have no idea where to start. There are about 10,000 topics we could start with. Suggestions?

I don't watch the show but I thought that those who do would find this neat:

http://hawtymcbloggy.com/2008/02/18/lost-dharma-initiative-hatch-xbox-360-faceplate/

That is f'ing rad!

I watched this show for about twenty minutes once. It's title reflected my mindset.

Other than Fraiser this is the only TV show that I watch. It really is a great show.

Have you played the game yet? I'm thinking about buying it this weekend.

Nope. I'm always hesitant to play spin-off games...

I know the feeling. I've been reading mixed reviews.

I never watched Lost until this season. The first year it was on was my weekly hockey game. I friend of mine loaned be the first 3 seasons on DVD. I watched them all in the the 3 weeks prior to the premier of season four. I'm hooked.

Lost is surely an appropriate title. It keeps you guessing and you can spend hours looking for clues and theorizing about what is actually going on. You can't casually watch this show. You have to tie yourself to it or you'll have no idea what's going on.

It's definitely a show written by nerds. I love it.

I'm not sure if you have poked around the internet at all, but there is a TON of additional content. Video shorts, TONS of forum discussions, the Lostpedia. There is literally information everywhere.

I registered at The Fuselage. That's the forum put together by the Lost creative team. I've browsed it a few times. Every week at work me and my partner watch the sneek peaks Thursday morning. On Fridays there's a few of us that meet to discuss the episode.

I've been hooked since halfway through season 2. I still haven't seen Season 1 or that first half of season 2, but I don't feel the need to.

I thought they did a great job this week with the Time/Space theory. Awesome ending as well!

Surprisingly, the Ween forum has a great Lost thread. I usually read that one in addition to the Fuselage.

http://weendotnetforum16662.yuku.com/topic/505/t/LOST.html?page=10

Did anyone else find tonight's episode extra confusing?

I'm gonna have to watch that again tomorrow and try to absorb in a little better...

The whole thing with Jin and Sun was very confusing. It was hard to tell what was a flash forward or a flash back.
Other than that, it was a very good episode. I can't wait to see Michael's story.

Hey, where'd this thread go?

This is mostly what I was talking about. I'm having a difficult time figuring out why Sun was so adamant about having Jin there before she gave birth, especially if she knew he was dead. My friend was chalking it up to her being delusional before birth, but that's hard for me to believe. Knowing the show, we won't get an answer about it for about 7 more episodes.

^B.E.D, Did you see the last 5 minutes?

Hurley visited Sun in Japan and they went to Jin's tombstone. She "told" Jin that the doctors told her she was asking for him during childbirth. So yeah...Jin died somehow.

In short, Jin's story in the episode was a flashback. Sun's was a flashforward. But we don't realize that until the end.

I'm also curious to see what Michael's new story is! And why he agreed to ally with Ben after working so hard to get off the island with Walt...

However, the most mind-blowing scene was the boat captain explaining the circumstances of the flight recorder to Sayid and Desmond...DAMN!

The Wikipedia page for the episode sums it up well:
 "The scenes with Sun are flashforwards to mid-2005, when she is giving birth; the scenes with Jin are flashbacks to 2000, the last year of the dragon. In the closing scenes, Hurley, Sun and her daughter Ji Yeon visit Jin's grave. The date on the gravestone is 2004-9-22, the date of the plane crash."

yeah but the note they got earlier said "don't trust the captain". so was what he told Desmond and Sayid bullshit?

so if Jin died in the crash he wouldn't one of the Oceanic Six.

Is it possible that Jin got left behind, and he's not really dead? I suppose it's also possible that he dies next week, as the preview for next week clued us in on...

As for Michael, it will be interesting to see how he got to the ship. Ben seems true to his word, getting him off the island in exchange for the people on his list. Something else must have happened after he returned to put him in Ben's debt.

I'm not even going to start in on the story around the black box, the ship's captain and Mr. Whitmore. There's far too much to even speculate about that :)

Woo Hoo!!!! 4 more days until Lost is back!

I can't wait. I've been watching the DVD's again just to get my fix.

I am SO happy they changed it to 10:00. Now I can actually watch it and not have to tape it. So that frees up a slot on the VCR so I can tape CSI instead ;D

Oh baby. I am so fucking excited for Thursday! I saw the preview on TV about 5 times last night. It really looks like were gonna get an ass-kicking episode to make up for having to struggle through a Lost-free month.

Amazing episode last night ;D

I can't believe they actually killed Alex. And I thought for sure Claire was going to die.

Holy cow was that good :) I had class, so I was just able to watch it this afternoon online, but wow!

I was shocked that they killed Alex, but I expected Claire to live (for now). If/when she dies she'll get a more 'respectful' death, being that she's been a central character for the entirety of the show.

How about Ben and Mr. Whitmore?

So Ben is going after Penelope. It was interesting how Widmore said he'd never find her as to this point any time we've seen her it did not appear as though he had her tucked away anywhere.

That "You changed the rules" comment should also provide for some interesting explanation too. What IS the story on those 2 guys?

on a side note, anyone ever seen these?

http://www.ravenstake.com/?Show=LOST-Parodies&ShowSpaces=LOST%20Parodies

funny stuff!

Claire can't die yet. Somehow they have to have Jack find out that he and Claire are half brother & sister.

Claire has now buggered off with Jack's dad. I'm guessing Jack does find out she's his sister. When he said to Kate in reference to Aaron, "You're not even related to him" seems a good indication he knows.

My head is still spinning from last nights episode. There is SO much going on right now.

Anyone watch the Season Finale last night?

Excellent! Not quite as awesome as last year's, but still with a lot of interesting stuff and WTF! moments. 8)

Yes, and it was amazing. I wish all the episodes were 2 hours, it makes i much easier to follow.
I'm glad they tied up a lot of loose ends and didn't raise too many more questions.

I think they rose a lot of new questions. Especially about the island itself.

***Spolier ALERT***(and sorry, but for some reason, the Spoiler blackout option won't let me use it)
What's up with Sun's relationship to Whitmore?
Where's Sayid taking Hurley?
Are we sure that no one survived the boat? (Faraday?)
What's the future hold for Desmond...and Penny?
And if Desmond is Faraday's "constant"...what does that mean now?
How does Locke get to the mainland?
How does Ben know how to get back to the island?
What's going to happen to the survivors on the island (Others and the last of the "Beach" Castaways that stayed)?
And will we ever find out about the origin of the missing giant statue that only had a foot remaining on it (on the coast of the island)?

Sun's relationship to Widmore is the island. They are both trying to get back for their own reasons.

Sayid is working with Ben, so we can assume that he broke Hurley out of the institution because of what he told Jack - they all have to go back to the island together.

Faraday wasn't on the boat, from what I remember. He was taking the raft TO the boat. I don't think he had gotten there yet, had he? The bigger question to me is whether or not Jin survived. The boat explosion was vague. It blew up from the middle, and Jin was on the end of the runway where the helicopter took off from. It's not entirely impossible that he survived and will be picked up by Faraday and the raft.

Ben always knows how to get back to the island. What will be interesting to see is if he himself can actually go back. He said that he couldn't, and the last scene of him on the island - when he was turning the wheel - was fairly emotional.

I'm sure that eventually, we'll find out the origin of that statue. We can assume, since there was nothing there, that it moved with the island. It doesn't seem like that's something that they'd just forget about. The writers seem fairly meticulous about making sure that every detail is covered, and everything that happens does so for a reason. I'm sure that sooner or later we'll find out.

I was so happy that Desmond and Penny had their reunion. That was a pretty heavy scene. Your question is valid though - what happens to them for the last 2 seasons? We already know that Ben is looking for Penny, and that he wants to kill her to get retribution for Widmore killing Alex. My guess has always been that Desmond will save her life, and that's how he'll become 'worthy' in Widmore's eyes.

I'm not convinced Jin is dead either. I think he somehow survived.

I wondered about Desmond too. I can't believe his reunion with Penny will be the last we see of him. I wonder if he's included in those who have to return to the island. Will Frank join up with Desmond and Penny to find those that got left behind?

It looks like Charlotte may be getting a bigger role. They seemed to imply that she may have been born on the Island.

I missed the episode about Alex's death and Ben's vengeance to Whitmore.  Gotta find that one! :evilsad:

Yeah, it's very possible that Jin survived. And you're right about Faraday, we didn't actually see him reach the boat.

Desmond's going to have to keep a low profile...and Penny's going to have to keep him secret from her father since Desmond knows so much about the island. I'm wondering if we'll see his Clairevoyance abilities again.

Good point about Charlotte. I loved that line..."Yeah. What DO I mean?" from the Asian guy (don't remember his name) when he was talking to her. And if she WAS born on the island, that means that the island itself wasn't always detrimental to pregnancy. 

I'm also wondering if Locke is going to add up that Richard (the #2 to Ben in leading the Others) was the same guy that interviewed him when he was a boy.

And WTF is going on with Claire and Christian?

And will we see the Black Smoke Monster again?

Damn. Damn. Damn. 4 months to wait!  :-\

Is Michael dead? Right before the ship exploded, Christian said "you can go now". Did that mean the Island would let him die now?

that's what I took it to mean, but with Lost you never know.

I think that Alpert will end up being a very central character over the last 2 seasons, much more-so than just being identified as the #2 to Ben. I think it's obvious that he has access to the time traveling technology on the island, as illustrated by the fact that he NEVER ages and he always seems to be around the most important characters from a very young age. I'm really, really interested in finding out more about him in the upcoming seasons.

I'm gonna put in a lot of time over at the Lostpedia to hold me over during the off season :)

Lostpedia?

Oh man.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Read until your heart's content.

Wow! All that for just one show?!? These people really got to much time on their hands...

Season 5 begins!

The ending last night left me a bit confused. Who was the woman that Ben was talking to in the church? I don't remember ever seeing her before.

Also, my DVR got buggy when I was watching it live, so I missed what happened with Hurley. Did he let himself get arrested? Did he talk to any more dead characters?

[corny joke about being lost]

It was the woman who Desmond tried to buy the ring from after he turned the key in the hatch.

And yes, Hurley let himself get arrested.

^Buy the ring from? Was that the episode "The Constant" from early last year or a different one?

Either way, that's an interesting development.

It was earlier then that actually, it was back in Season 3, the first episode that we see Desmond in after the hatch blew up. They really test your memory with this show, good thing I apparently have space in my brain for useless miscellaneous facts!

Awesome episode last week! What a revelation about Widmore!

That was a great episode, and yes, certainly cast new light on Widmore. Feels like the pacing of this season will be quite fast.

Interesting episode tonight, I figured it was only a matter of time until we get some backstory on Danielle. Also, totally not surprised the dude we thought was dead isn't dead.

loving the pop-up video reruns.

i loved his reaction to the french woman too. poor zombie doesnt know whats going on.

Yeah. It was just a matter of time on the dude.

I forgot all about Danielle. I had to look up Lostpedia afterwards to make sure I knew who she was. 8)

Tonight's was my favourite episode this season so far, a lot of interesting revelations. Anyone else think the "glitch" with the donkey wheel was causing the time jumps? And if so, what does bringing people back to the island have to do with fixing it? Seems like either Ben or Jacob are lying about something.

Yeah. It seems like when John adjusted it, it stopped going haywire with the time shifting.

Looks like the mystery about bringing people back may start being revealed next week. I don't think it has anything to do with fixing the wheel, but more with what the island needs them all to do...whatever that is.

We still don't know who or what Jacob is. What we really need to know is why Christian seems to keep popping up whenever someone's about to die. First Michael on the boat ("You can go now") and now John (presumably) last night. Which leads me to wonder if Claire is also dead since she was in the cabin with him last year, and she showed up in Kate's nightmare warning her not to take Aaron back to the island.

I missed last weeks ep :-/
Late night at work. Does anyone know if they are onDemand or online so i can catch up?

If you can't find them anywhere else, I'm pretty sure XBL Marketplace is keeping up on them if you don't mind spending the points. I missed an episode last season ("The Shape of Things to Come"), so I bought it there and watched it so I could catch up.

I don't have a 360 still :'(

You can watch every episode from every season on the ABC site, in HD if you have the capacity.

Can't do it on my PC (HD or otherwise). :P I'm still on Windows 98 (Got my Gateway PC in May of 2000). I think ABC requires at least Windows 2000 for standard definition.

Haha, sounds like you need an upgrade :)

You'll probably need better than 2000 even. I have a ton of trouble getting it to work with XP. It'll usually take me at least an hour and a half to watch a 1 hour episode.

^Yeah. I need a new PC. :P Even though I'm not into PC gaming, it's definitely time; it'll be 9 years old in May.

Then maybe I could go online and catch up on the Lost episodes I've missed. 8)

Wow, another great episode, this season has been really solid. Who do you guys think that "extra" guy on the plane was, I got the distinct feeling he was there for a reason. Maybe one of Ben's men, or even Widmore's?

Also, do you think Ben fulfilled his promise to Widmore and killed Penelope? The way he was not only covered in blood but also injured, ie. wearing an arm cast, leads me to believe if he did/tried to it didn't exactly go as planned. Maybe Desmond was there and stopped him, or maybe Desmond was there, put up a fight but got killed too? Who knows, lots of new questions.

The planes pilot was the helicopter pilot who got them off the island.

As for ben i was pissed noone asked him why he was beat to hell.
Desmond will be back on the island if penny is dead.

Anyone else remember the people flashing on the island going thru debris from last nights guam flight ;)

The extra guy in first class that also spoke with Jack at the airport? No idea who he could be. Maybe he was someone sent by Heloise from the church to balance out the flight in some way?

Good theory on Ben. I'd hope Penny would be alive and/or that Desmond was able to save her. Desmond wouldn't want to come back to the island if Ben killed her, though, unless it would align him with Charles Widmore...that would be a heckuva plot twist! Ben said he had to "tie up a loose end" with a friend...no idea if it's the Widmore angle or something else?

And what about the way Kate was so cryptic about Jack not ever mentioning Aaron? That was wierd! Maybe she gave him to the grandmother?

At first I thought that Ben might have been beaten up by Sayid, in order to get him into the custody of the marshal and on the plane, further 'recreating' the first flight. It makes sense that he would have gone after Penny though. With Desmond there, he knew she must be near.

It will be interesting to find out how Hurley A) found out about the flight, B) got out of jail, and C) knew to bring a guitar with him. I'm assuming that Charlie might have made another appearance at some point, but I doubt that he could get him out of police custody.

The extra guy, that's a tough one. I assume that he is Wimore's man, but I guess we won't find out for a bit about that one. None of them used pseudonyms when they purchased their tickets (at least, we know Jack and Hurley didn't, and there's no way Sayid could have), so if he was monitoring them (like we can assume he would have been) and saw that they all purchased tickets for the same flight, he no doubt figured this was his chance to find the island.

I'm also interested to see how/if Ben can get back to the island. That was something they made sure to stress when Ben first moved the island.

Overall, I was pretty let down with this episode. It just seemed really quickly thrown together. So much information about the Lamp Post station was freely given, and not a lot of it was explained. It seemed like merely byproduct of the storyline, like they just needed to let us know what it was in order to make the story cohesive. I wish they would have spent more time with it, since it would seem like that's a fairly important little room. Anyone who watches Lost knows that they don't just freely give out information like that, they make you work for it.

Next week looks pretty great.

Yeah that was definitely odd with Kate.. making Jack promise he'll never ask about Aaron again. I am assuming there will be an episode that will fill in all these blanks.

For Hurley, in one of the previous episodes, Ben's lawyer was working on getting Hurley off the hook and out of prison, so maybe he was successful? Still doesn't explain how Hurley knew about the flight or its intended purpose, especially since he was surprised and angered to see Ben on it.

For Sayid, why was he on the plane in custody? Even if he was legitimately apprehended, why were they transporting him to Guam of all places? My thought is it was all staged, and that he was serving a dual purpose: obviously, he was on the original flight, but he is also filling in the "fugitive" role. On the original flight, Kate was a prisoner being transported with an escort.

What are your thoughts on Frank Lapidus, was his being there just a coincidence, or was it somehow planned? I could lean either way on that one.

Why would he have staged it? He seemed pretty serious when he said he would have no part of anything Ben wanted him to do.

No clue, but again, why would they have been transporting him to Guam? :P

Regarding Sayid, the only thing I can think of is that possibly the Guam government caught up with him from his prior life as an Iraqi interrogator? Somehow, I think he's the most likely to have been a coincidence on the plane.

Lapidus is more likely to have been planned. Remember that he was working for Widmore when flew in the Science team to the island. And we know that Widmore's not going to stop his search for the island. Maybe he created his own version of Lamp Post and has an agenda for Lapidus to carry out.

Lapidus, I think, was merely a coincidence, like so many other coincidences the island has caused. He was another person that left the island, so maybe there's a reason he needs to go back.

Some good answers last night! It'll be interesting to see how Ben fits into the island now that so much has changed.

So I'm thinking Widmore is the good guy now? Seems he was the only one that talked straight with Locke.

I hope we find out more about the new group of crash victims, it seems the Hispanic(?) guy in 1st Class last week that talked to Jack at the airport is the new "leader" for this set of survivors.

US has military bases on Guam.
Assuming he was actually caught and it wasn't just a ruse.
Remember before it was Kate who was in federal custody.

The whole airport scene mimicked very closely(if not exactly) the original details from the Oceanic flight.

Last night's "Lost"...WTF!?!?!

So...let me get this straight. It seems like when Locke fixed the wheel, the following happened:
All the island party members (Jin, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Dan) are now permanently residing on the island from 1974 (from the last flash)-1977.

The new plane crash happens present day (2004/2005), but the island sends Jack, Kate, and Hugo back to 1977. But we haven't seen Sun and Sayid?

However, the new plane crash also sends Locke back to the island (reincarnated) in present day along with Ben and the new crash survivors (including the new Hispanic guy leader who's name escapes me now)? I'm guessing it's not 1977 because it seems that Dharma would still be around.

Holy crap! How are they going to write their way around this?

The question I have now is...is this all consistent with the canon of the 1st 4 seasons? If Ben is destined to exterminate the Dharma initiative, did James, Jin, Juliet, Dan, and Miles die in that extermination as well? And Horace is someone that showed up last season, right? Chopping wood and talking briefly with Locke from what I remember. 

What happened to the scientists in 1977?

What happens with Desmond because he didn't go back?

One theory on Desmond: if he is "The Constant", then when he sailed on his own in the boat race in 2004 and accidentally came upon the island, the only way that can set the timeline right again is if he does that race again in the "new" 2004? Or is Desmond going to get a new "memory" now because of all that's happened in getting all of this straightened out?

Damn...:P The writers really have their work cut out for them this season, imo.

Well, in regards to Ben exterminating Dharma, that likely will not affect Sawyer and the rest. Apparently in the next episode, we see "young Ben" again, so that means at the point in time they are at, the extermination is still several years off.

Oh, also, Locke and the plane crashed on the Hydra Station island, not the main island. Who knows whether or not the Hydra Station island was affected by the time shifting as well, maybe it is outside that sphere of influence. Like you said, who knows at this point, it's all a bit crazy!

Another point of interest, any guesses on who Amy's baby is? An interview with the actress revealed that the baby is someone of importance.. I am drawing a blank myself. Might not necessarily be a character we are familiar with I suppose..

What if she's pregnant with Ben? And dies during childbirth? Maybe Paul married her because the biological dad (Uncle Rico) was an alcoholic?

But.. we saw Ben's birth off the island.. and this kid is supposedly Horace's.. not Paul's.. and Ben saw an apparition of his mother on the island, and it wasn't Amy.. you're confusing me man. :P

I played the Xbox 360 game Lost......Have 1000 points in it......umm thats it for Lost for me. Never seen it.

Sorry. I missed that.

No excuses! You must remember every minute detail!

I watch Lost with my wife and my parents/brother every week, and they are always amazed at the little connections and things I remember.. now if only I could use that power for good, useful things.

Crazy Fanboyyyyy !!!



Just kidding. :P

Missed nearly all of tonights episode :-/
All i caught was Sayid in the forest with Jin who he knocked out(?) and then shooting child Ben(?)

Needless to say i need to know what i missed!!!

Also how does Ben dying as a child effect the flow of time? Next ep better answer everything that i caught in the last 2 mins!

Well I personally would highly doubt we can count Ben out just yet.. remember, John Locke was shot by Ben once and the island spared him, and we know that at one point Ben was in good graces with the island. Or perhaps this is when the "hostiles" find him, and he begins to be integrated into their culture. Also, Jin is currently unconscious near where Ben was shot, maybe he wakes up in time to get him back to the barracks and get treated. My hunch is, this event wasn't supposed to kill off Ben, but maybe explain his character. Maybe all this time he knew who Sayid was, and remembered being shot by him as a child? This season seems to be all about examining the effects of the flow of time.

For example, when Charlotte passed, she told Daniel she remembers a man approaching her as a child and telling her not to return to the island, and that the man was Daniel. Yet, Daniel has no recollection of doing this, implying it hasn't happened in "his" time line yet. This is why, in the current arc, Daniel is M.I.A. When he first arrived at the Dharma Initiative, he catches a glimpse of Charlotte as a child, and starts muttering something to the effect of "I'm not going to tell her.. not going to tell her.." I assume he left Dharma so he wouldn't be tempted, it seems like he is trying to change the series of events. But as Desmond once said, history has a way of course correcting itself.

Another example is the compass Locke has. Where did it truly come from? We first see Alpert give it to Locke in the present, but then we see Locke give it to Alpert when the island was situated in the 50's, to prove he is from the future. So who gave it to whom first, did Alpert have it in the present because Locke gave it to him in the past? Or is it the other way around?

Time travel is fucked up, is the bottom line here. :P

Damn good point on the compass!

Also i didn't even think about when ben was integrated into the Hostiles.

That seems to be the most likely thing :-/ Kinda lame i was hoping for some huge massive timewarp universe splitting next week lol.

Thanks for the heads up :)

Let's see them write their way out of this one!