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I know we have a section for DVD games such as Dragons Lair.

What about movies that come with games also?

The BloodRayne dvd had a complete version of BloodRayne 2 packed in with it and Doom has a playable Doom demo for Xbox.

Could these be done under the "Multiple Consoles" category?

I am pretty baffled at what should be done with these oddities.

Hey Iz.

My thought is that it should be listed under the technology required to play the included game/demo on a DVD.  If it requires a PC to play, it should be listed as a PC game, if it requires an Xbox, then list it under Xbox.

Well i was thinking that as well but how would it be listed?

BloodRayne Unrated Directors Cut DVD w/ BloodRayne 2(mine is widescreen i'm not sure if there is also a fullscreen version.)
&
Doom Unrated Extended Edition WideScreen w/ Doom 3 Demo
&
Doom Unrated Extended Edition FullScreen w/ Doom 3 Demo

That just seems a little long winded and odd. I was hoping to see what others thought because while it is staying in the original scope of adding any and all videogames to the database it is also an issue that hasn't come up before...

Maybe even a subsection in the database all to itself. That way we could ease ourselves into memorabilia and test the waters of having it.

something like Gaming/Entertainment Media where movies like Iz posted, Zelda DVD box sets, The Wizard, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, VHS tapes for game tips, video promos etc etc.

The best part of simply making a subsection is that a new script wouldn't be needed. Part numbers, region, upc, reviews, screens etc apply to these as well. Also DVD and VHS are already in the media dropdown list. The GBA videos could be moved here as well as PSP movies.

While in my mind this seems kinda easy and relatively plausible i am sure there is something that would make it not.

I have a feeling that while that is a great idea and solution to the problem it could very well be made a backburner project.

I remember some people being very irritated with all the UMD movies i had submit way back when.

Good idea :)

Oh god UMD!

OH GOD GBA VIDEO!!!

I got a kick out of the fact everyone bitched at UMD but had to be reminded of those.

That's right I said that dirty word. I think the next dirty word will be downloadable games so everyone make sure your children leave the room and your boss isn't looking, it's gonna get NSFW aound here.  :slick:

I still say UMD and GBA Videos shouldn't be in the database. Maybe one day they will be in there own database.

Actually, downloadable content will be tacked in the next version of the submission system. RF Generation is a video games database, and to ignore downloadable games, especially paid, would be a travesty.

That been said, it will be set up so that collections are not skewed.

That will be pretty awesome IMO.

That being said.
What to do with the games listed above....

Tans idea?
marriots idea?
someone else got ideas?

That is awesome. Can Demos, and UMD type stuff be done like that as well?

Woah now take it easy.
Minus demos my collections drops like 100 titles.

GBA video and UMD movies i am cool with. :)

Sorry I don't think demos should be in the main database.

Chronicles of Riddick also has a Escape from Butchers bay demo for Xbox.

Any other input/info/solutions?

Proposed working guideline for DVDs containing game content.
Last modified 01-Jul-07, 12:00 PM EST


DVDs With Included Game Content
The following guideline is to be used when adding a DVD movie that contains game content.

• DB Entry Location
  
  • DVDs containing either a complete game, or demo of one, should be listed under the technology required to play the respective game (i.e. PC, Microsoft XBox, etc.). 
  • The game should be listed as a Variation of an exiting game title in the database - never as a new/separate entry. 
  • If the included game content is a Demo, it should be designated as such using the Genre field.
  
  
  Naming Standards
  
  • The Title of the game should always be the name of the actual game. 
  • The Variation Title should list the name of the DVD that contains said game content.
  • Text for listing the DVD under the Variation Title should by formated as follows:
    
    DVD type & " - " & DVD movie title & " - " & Screen Res
    DVD type = DVD (standard DVD), DVDHD (HDDVD) or DVDBLU (Blu-ray DVD)
    Screen Res = FS (Full Screen) or WS (Wide Screen)
  
  Example Entry
  • The game in this example is "Bloodrayne 2", contained on the DVD movie "Bloodrayne".
  • Technology required for game play = PC.  This game would be listed as a variation of the existing DB entry for the game "Bloodrayne 2" in the PC console section.
  • The Variation Title of this entry would be DVD - Bloodrayne - WS.
  • The completed entry would appear in the DB as Bloodrayne 2^{DVD - Bloodrayne - WS}, as a variation of the existing PC game.
    
  
  Let me know everyone's thoughts and suggestions on this guideline.
  
  

But what should the title for the entry be?
Should it be the title of the DVD with the name of the game/demo in the alternate title field?

Should multiple DVD versions be added?
WideScreen/FullScreen/etc?

Should the variants of the DVD be ignored because the game they are packaged with is completely the same?

It is important because these demos are part of the same disc the DVD is on. They are not a seperate DVD in the case.(Bloodrayne does have its own film and PC CD/DVD-Rom)

The Title for the entry would be the game - this would not change due to the proposal in the guideline that these should always be listed as a variation of an existing DB entry - never as a new entry.  The Variation


The Title for the entry would be the game - this would not change due to the proposal in the guideline that these should always be listed as a variation of an existing DB entry - never as a new entry.  The Variation field would list the DVD that contains the game/demo.

Yes - this could be easily supported.

I don't think so, simply because we already list a number of games that have the same game content, but are a variation of an existing release (i.e. Greatest Hits releases).

  I agree.

I have updated the proposed guideline above to reflect the items/points that you have raised.  Let me know what you think Iz and if the modification to it addresses your points.

The title should be the movie with the game in another field. Remember these are movies with game demos not game demos with movies on them. Maybe it would be better off to have a section dedicated to paraphernalia.

It doesn't seem right to list a full retail movie with special features and/or collectors disc set as a demo. It also doesn't seem right to have to put a gaming related movie/demo under say Xbox, if someone doesn't care for the demo aspect but owns the Doom3 game for the PC and owns the DVD as a collector piece/companion. I think that applies to soundtracks as well. A separate section really does apply here.

Also let's not forget the multiple variants of each, I imagine the database would fill quickly with widescreen, 1 disc, 2 disc, region 1 region 2 etc etc. That's not really the way I envisioned RFGen reaching 30k games.

Tan.

I can understand your point.  So, for the time being, all movies containing game content (full game or demo) should not be listed at all in the DB and we'll table this until further discussion takes place concerning a new 'paraphernalia' section.  Let me know if this encompasses your thoughts.

Especially if this opens the floodgates for calls to include magazines with demo discs, soundtracks, gaming comics, manga, gaming novels etc etc. A movie is a different form of media than a game, soon enough other forms will follow.

Best to set up a database that can handle all forms of collectable gaming items, even action figures, board games, strat guides and others. As long as the list stays separate from the games list of course and that it stays solely gaming related.

If anyone has these kind of items or others I didn't mention and would be interested in seeing these things in a database I suggest you post your thoughts on the what and the how. This discussion is in the public forums for both staff and members alike to participate in.

Works for me :)

Just glad to finally have gotten a solution rather than haphazardly add this stuff.