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Lets just get this out of the way right now!

BCS does not stand for Bowl Championship Series....... It stands for Bowl crap series.


Michigan got hosed! Florida's loss was to a lesser team, and how exactly do you jump a team ahead of you when they are idle? I'll tell you how.... People did't want to see a rematch.

The top 2 teams in the land will not be playing for the title, and when OSU blows out Florida, and Michigan destroys USC I will be ready with the  "I told you so".


Urban Meyer can officially go die in a chemical fire for his openly campaining. While I don't think his statements about the big 10 and Michigan swayed the voting, I also don't think the guy showed any class ::)


So I hope everybody enjoys watching the Bowl Crap Series this holiday season.


I know I wont!

That was a very unclassy move for him.

Ken

What happened?

Eh, pro all the way.

whats better, pollsters deciding who plays for a title, or pollsters determining who wins a title. 

what i dont like about playoffs are the number of second chances it gives to teams that lose in the regular season.  the BCS can be tweaked a little more by making the championship game an extra game played by the top two teams after the original bowls are complete.  have michigan and florida play in the rose bowl, then the winner takes on ohio state.  the next week

Here is my solution.  Give OSU the title, #1, but no bowl game for them.  Then have Michigan play Florida for the #2 and #3 spots. 

No!

I love how every year BCS makes an ass out of itself.

So you're saying that the only team that should get the opportunity to play OSU is U of M? But then if U of M wins, shouldn't OSU get a chance to play them again since they've split the series? Then and only then with a best of 3 would you have no controversy. Florida vs. U of M would definitely settle who is #2 since it's obvious that OSU is #1.

U of M had their chance. Why should they get a "free pass" to lose a game vs OSU and then be given a 2nd shot, and this one for a title! That would be saying that the 1st matchup and the Big Ten title meant nothing!

Florida is the political machine's logical choice to go to the championship game because USC boned themselves vs. UCLA and Florida took care of business in the SEC championship game vs. Arkansas. I don't know anything about the Urban Meier campaining thing, but frankly I don't care.

Another part of this equation is that the ratings for a U-M vs OSU rematch in the Championship game would be the worst ever! The Midwest would watch, but the rest of the country could care less because they already saw that game play out as a #1 vs. #2. I ask you this, if U of M had beaten OSU and OSU was #2, would you be defending OSU as strongly over Florida?...didn't think so. 

Yet another argument (and the most legitimate one thus far) is that Florida won its conference (the SEC) and it had the toughest schedule in the country. So, even with 1 loss, it deserves a shot since Michigan had theirs. That's where the human element of the BCS voting machine comes into play. The computers actually had U-M and Florida tied at .940. The people wanted a different matchup.

I'm not saying that the BCS "got it right". The system is obviously still flawed. Just look at what happened to Auburn a couple of years ago! But until we get a 4 team playoff, we're going to have to keep seeing the BCS wet the bed every year.

if there was a four team playoff, who wouldve been screwed this year?  Louisville or Boise State? 

if there was a four team playoff last season, would USC or Texas have played their classic?

frankly, this isnt the screwjob that auburn had, as they were undefeated.  if you lose a game in a major confrence, youve become open to the crapshoot that is the poll. 

I can almost bet you it'd be Mich/Ohio State if Michigan had beaten OSU.  Florida wouldn't have passed OSU.

Ken

I was saying no becuase if you read Hydro's statement, he said to give the title to OSU no matter what, and hav Michigan play Florida for #2.

As for Michigan "having their chance", and it not being fair to OSU..... It happens in the NFL all the time! teams beat other teams during the regular season, and then lose to them in the play-offs.

So yes, I do think it would be fair if Michigan played and beat OSU.

Who cars what the ratings would be! ::) It would be the best 2 teams. And I am not saying that becuase I am a U of M fan.

And yes, if Mich beat OSU, and it was the other way around.... I would think OSU was getting screwed. But I would also be in the same boat as OSU is. OSU does not want to play Michigan again. And if the tables were turned, I wouldn't want to play OSU.

That being said, I would think OSU was getting screwed!

Florida is going to get murdered by OSU. Michigan is going to hand USC it's ass. And then everybody will know they were wrong abouyt the bowl set up.

Plain and simple.

who cares if it happens in the NFL, that is one of the reasons the league sucks.  the football is good, but everything else about the NFL is terrible.  Pittsburgh played lousy for 2/3 of their season, yet still won the super bowl.  their regular season a joke as a result (indy anyone?)

Isn't that why you play the game? Even the team with the best record can lose to the team with a bad record. That is part of the appeal? (at least I think so), because it would be boring if the best team always won.

It wouldn't be boring if your team was the one with the perfect record.

the current parity is boring, you may as well roll dice

people watch sports for drama, and while watching a good team roll over a weak team is boring to watch, when two good teams colide (OSU/Michigan last month), the drama is multiplied exponentially.  with all the parity in the NFL, there are no great teams, and a ton of second chances so when two good teams play each other, the drama never reaches the boiling point

I have to disagree with you.  The recent Bengals Ravens game was very intense.  The Denver and Indy games will also be that way. 

The NFL tried to make a very high pressure game, with the Bengals and the Steelers plaing on New Year, but with the way the Steelers have been performing recently, most people could care less.

bengals/ravens and denver/indy will in no way come within a light year of Ohio State/Michigan in terms of intenisty and drama

Here's what sucks....If USC had beaten UCLA....USC would be number 2.  I guarantee that Michigan would have been number 3 and Florida number 4.  So many voters didn't want to see a rematch, so they gave it to Florida.

Ken

Agrees, and there in lies the controversy.

the ultimate irony is, the last time there was a rematch for the NC, florida was the beneficiary

The problem with college football compared to the pros is having to play a conference scedule. Every BCS conference has its top 2 or 3 teams that are going to beat the rest of the teams year in and year out. With the exception of the sec which has 6 to 8 teams that could play with or beat any of the top 2 or 3 teams in the other conferences. Then you have a team like Notre Dame who is lumped in the big east conference and shares with them when it comes to bowls but doesnt play any of the big east teams.If notre dame is going to be lumped in with the big east and take one of there bowls I think they should have to play all the big east teams.

College football division 1 is the only sport there is not a playoff. Its based on opinions. What happens if Florida thumps OSU  Usc beats mich and arkansas thumps wiscosin it would show the big ten was overated. The problem is there is not enough interconference play during the season...I think if there not going togo to a playoff they should come up with a point system where you get points for playing out of conference games.

example if Oklahoma  played..OSU, MICH, USC, FLA, WVU, MIAMI  along with conference games and lost 2 of the out of conference games by close scores they should get the nod over a team that played  the teams in there conference and a weak out of conference scedule with no losses.

but then you have to consider some of the teams that are usally ranked in the top ten year in and year out having a bad season  you put them on the scedule but they were bad that year ..so a playoff is the only fair way to decide a champion..plus it would be much more exciting for fans 

it would not be more exciting for the fans, college football is already the most exciting sport in the country, a playoff would water down the regular season like it does in college basketball and every pro sport.  the rivalries that mean something would turn into novelties like army/navy or harvard/yale. 

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what other sport fills 100,000 seat stadiums every week, and would easily fill stadiums twice that size?

I agree but to me football is boring. Although college football is better to watch then the NFL.

fair enough

Trick question ??? :-\


NASCAR ?




But seriously, your right.... College football drives college sports. And the Big house is filled to capacity every week!



At this point, I dont care anymore. Michigan is going to play in the "Grand Daddy" of the bowl games. It's been a nice season, and they are going to finish up strong against a highly over-rated USC team (IMO).


HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

the winner of the rose bowl will have the inside track on preseason #1 next year.  that is pretty good motivation on top of it just being the rose bowl

Anytime polls are decided by peoples opinions they are going to be bias. It wouldnt matter if Boise state could beat all the top ten teams but double digit scores the voters will still favor there favorite and home teams. Greatest example is Notre Dame they get ranked in the top ten year in and year out. I cant remember the last time they beat a top program and have lost 8 straight bowl games  soon to be 9 once LSU blows them out. tHE YEAR oKlahoma played Miami they didnt deserve the chance. With a playoff the regular season would mean even more and the teams would play harder because 8 or 16 teams would have a chance to win the championship. The way it is now once you lose your out the rest of the season doesnt mean squat. And like I said earlier there are to many conferences that after the top 2 or 3 teams rest of the teams suck. Im not knocking teams but name one quailty win Wiscosin had this year. Did they win one game against a top 25 team. This thread is a good reason we need a playoff.

Plus after bowl season ends it will be a good indicator of who was and wasnt deserving of the ranking.

you end up with teams that phone it in, once they are assured of a spot



essentially, the regular season IS the playoff, those games played in august and september mean just as much as the ones in november and december, a playoff means only the games in december and januarary reallycount


Wisconsin had their chance against Michigan and lost, had they won that game, they wouldve been in a BCS game, and perhaps they wouldve had a shot at the buckeyes instead of florida.  The regular season IS the playoff, there is no need to water down regular season games into exhibitions

You're comparing apples and oranges here. The NFL has a playoff, the NCAA does not. All the NFL teams play a 16 game season, NCAA teams play 11, 12, or 13 game seasons before their bowl game (no consistency). The NFL structures their playoffs by conference, and if you win your conference you go to the championship game; the NCAA has no such criteria. In the NFL, the teams with the best records in their conferences are not guarenteed to go to the Super Bowl to play each other, they have to earn it against the other playoff teams. And how ridiculous would it be if the NFL had a poll to decide who goes to the super bowl!

The only instance where your argument holds water is if the winner in one NFL CONFERENCE played the winner of the other CONFERENCE in the NFL regular season and they end up meeting in the Super Bowl to determine the champion. 

Imo, as long as there are polls the system is going to be flawed. NCAA basketball has it right with sending out bids for the NCAA tournament.

All that needs to happen with NCAA football is for a committee to meet at the end of the season to determine who should be ranked 1-4. 1 plays 4. 2 plays 3. The winners play in a championship game. If they want to use the current polling BCS system calculations they can. 1v4 and 2v3 would still play in the respective BCS bowl games as well, so there'd be no disruption to the revenue machine.

The championship game could happen 2 weeks after these bowl games (like the NFL does with the Super bowl after the conference championships) to allow the student athletes to go back to school a bit, and still have time to prepare for the final game and allow for the appropriate allotment of tickets to be sold to those wanting to attend the game from the repective schools.

The other thing is that the BCS championship game should be promoted throughout the year in the same manner as the super bowl. That way, if you can get at-large tickets to attend the game, a college football fan can plan accordingly. The final game could even be held the Saturday before the NFL conference chapionship games to boost the ratings. People can plan parties around it, yadda yadda...










 

a four team playoff would not eliminate controversy, it only shifts it from the process of deciding the top 2 teams, to the process of deciding the top 4 teams.  if there was a 4 team playoff this year, you would have three teams deserving of 2 spots (Michigan, Louisville, and Boise State), and every year, you have a different number of teams on that top teir. 

Actually, no matter what a playoff will only decide the first place team.  The second place team could be any team played by the first place team throughout the playoff.  As in the second best team can be eliminated in the first round by the best team.   A playoff actually introduces controversy.

totally

*Gives up on this topic*  :(


Come on Rose Bowl!

Maze and Blue all the way.

totally, it would be cool to see the big ten finish 1-2-3

There is no solution.

3? 

I thought Wisconsin didn't get in.

but they are facing auburn in the outback bowl.  if they have an impressive showing, they could easily be voted nubmer 3

Interesting. So it turns out that Michigan sucks and the "overrated" USC team was victorious. Guess it wasn't as Plain and simple as you thought.

Who cares?!  Penn State whooped on Tennessee!  Let's go P-S-U!

Ken

If my team could not be #1, then I really did not care. Oh and lets see USC come to the big house and do that. USC had a nice home game there at the Rose Bowl...... Must be nice ::)


Wisconsin beat a "good" team from the "mighty" SEC  ::)
My team is done, so I really dont care what happens from this point on.

(yes, I am taking my ball and going home :P)

Damn bunch of cranky bastards.

West Virginia won. Awesome game.

Boise State played an awesome game against Oklahoma last night.  I was very impressed.

That was a nice play at the end.

Yeah, unfortunately I didn't get to see the entire thing.  I saw up till half way through the fourth quarter, missed the overtime.  But the part I saw was a great game.

not to get on the Michigan fans but that game shows how the media is bias  very bias..

before the games  they all kept saying if michigan blows usc out and florida beats osu  michigan should be number 1....but after usc beat them they didnt come out and say they were wrong..

The big ten did beat 2 sec teams  but are 2-4  in bowls..Like I stated yes Michigan and Osu had really good teams but the rest of the conference was weak...

I think if there isnt going to be a playoff  then teams wishing to challenge for the title should have to play a tuff out of conference scedule.

and my biggest gripe is notre dame  I know some of you guys are fans but they didnt deserve a bcs game  and dont desreve to ranked in the top 20..I wish the big east would throw them out of the conference if they wont play all the big east teams.

It is time.

O  H

I shouldn't speak tooooo soon, but when should we begin to call it a blowout?

Too many Ohio State fans and Florida fans on my interstate! The highway patrol was having a blast pulling people over :o

41-14! Damn!!!!

Where are all the OSU fans? LMAO

It was a beautiful game for the first ten seconds!

I thought it was a great game the whole time. Then again I am from MI.