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How exactly dose the top 100 work, some games don't get into it unless they have 3 votes. While I've seen some games hit the top with just 2 vote to their name, even though the games overall rating was also lower than some games that have more votes that aren't up there.

So in short, I'm confused. ???

Yeah I'd say it's a bit buggy.

The Top 100 list is supposed to show the top rated games that have 3 or more votes. We didn't feel that allowing 1 or 2 votes to get to the top 100 list would be very fair since that could be easily rigged by one or two members.

That having been said, the top rated system is plagued by members who feel that they must give games a terrible rating because they view the current rating as "too high." While on a large site that would be offset by the sheer volume of votes that does not occur on a small website like ours. Also, the top 100 list was designed to work with the old database, and it may not have been edited to work with this system, causing the discrepancies you see. Perhaps the Black Perl could take a look at that.

Yup, there was a part of the ratings that did not get transfered over.  It's fixed.

Some games on the top 100 may still have slight discrepancies between the ratings on the top 100 and game pages, but they will get corrected the next time someone rates that game (or re-rates it).  Eventually everything will correct itself.  Easiest way to fix a game rating that is bad is to rate it!

Sweet, thanks for the info.

The top 100 is great, it's so easy to manipulate and make it reflect your own preferences. The odd thing is that you'd think that such a freaky list would motivate more other people to vote too, but that doesn't seem to happen.

I like how the top 100 went from being Nintendo Skewed to being Sega skewed. I guess Nintendo fans are less likely to skew to their likings.

Naw Sega games are just better thats all  ;D

CHRONO TRIGGER!!!

That is all.

EDIT: Well that's just peachy, the game is not even in the top 100. To the two people who gave Chrono Trigger a 5... I know who you are... one of you might have even posted in this very thread. This is an open call for CatchFiveBats to return and give every Sega Game in the Top 100 a 5, perhaps then the values would be balanced again.

It was such a pain in the ass when some voted every PAL Saturn game a 5.... they obviously had to much time on their hands  :nono:

 23.    SNES     Chrono Trigger
Some one must of listen to that, cause it is now  :P

Some one voted 5 on all the Saturn PAL games? If people are going to be stupid on voting just to knock a company we should get rid of the damn list.

Once there are enough people voting it won't matter. For now it's gonna be screwy.

I think it is time to restart the user ratings. There are people here who have several pages of purposeful tankings, and there are other users that were in the know who purposefully tanked games that one of the original tankers loves (Euro Sega Anything).

There was  a reason why the hardware pages don't have ratings. People abuse the system. Abuse it too much, and you'll lose the privilege for all. I'll let you guys decide, I'm sure the Black Perl will have no qualms disabling the user rating system for games, much like it has been for hardware.

Can you reset them? Go for it.

keep voting only open to people with x number of posts, that should cut down some of the tomfoolery

reset it and then limit it to just me (i will decide all)....either that, or reset it and then limit it to ppl with 500 + posts....

You'd think that limiting the voting to people with X number of posts might curb abuse, but one of the tankers has 3000 posts, so who isn't to say that he or she just won't do it again.

Can we instead have rankings only against the same system?  For instance a list that features the top 50 NES titles, or the top 50 Genny titles.  Maybe that'd deter the fake voting.

Ken

It's Arrrr? I don't think I was ever tanking SEGA games, or any games for that matter, but it's been awhile since I was rating things.

Maybe you should up the number of votes before it's in the list. Three is way too few.

I think that might fix grumbles temporarily.

I think a good way to stop people from bombing the top 100 is to make it where you can not click on the game in the top100.  If there was no link in the list, people would have to search the game to rate it.  I think this will work well, and people would only rate game they know.

People are stupid.

I agree, maybe 5 votes to get an average, and lets reset. I wanna see ET at number one of the bottom 25!! :nod:

I think even as far as needing 25 votes could work, most of the top games would have no problem getting that many anyway. Or add the individual ratings of each person beside their name when you click "who owns this".

Yeah, I see no harm in a 25 vote average.

Chrono trigger really sucks.

Anyways, if you can't handle people giving low votes on a public list, you might as wel get rid of it. Many people are going to vote based on what they think is a good average grade for a game, or what pushes their favourite game up on the list, not what they personally believe the game deserves. It makes a lot of sense.

I agree it would be a good idea to up the amount of votes needed to get in the top 100, but 25 is a ridiculous number. The great thing about the list is that any game can get a top position in it, despite popularity. That's what sets it apart from all those other top 100 lists that have the same few games at the top.

You might not like Chrono Trigger but a 5?

I have to respectfully disagree. This site not only has collectors but gamers as well and a top 100 should also reflect the games most owned by both types of members so 25 is an easy number for the most owned and popular games. It's not right if a game voted 90% by 1-10 people is listed above one @ 85% by 40, which is obviously the more popular game here?

Also it's easy for a collector to give a poor score to a game that they only own not play as in this hobby one doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with the other. I may not like Chrono Trigger too much but if I owned it I'd be fair and give it a 90-95% based on it's quality and impact alone, but everybody collects for different reasons.

If you really think 25 votes is too unreasonable then perhaps a system of mean averages where the votes and ratings both determine it's ranking. That way 40 people @85% would rate higher than 10 people @90.

The point is with 900 members and probably 100 being daily regulars there's no way games with such few votes represents the majority.

25 is a bit much. MB/Duck Hunt, the game everyone in the world owns 17 copies of, only has 24 votes. I think 10 would be more reasonable. 3's just way too few.

Sonic 2 has 33 votes

Oh you meant 34.

Why can't I delete my post anymore?

Well looks like we are all in agreement that it should be higher than 3 though.

It's been upped to 10 votes min.  Hopefully 10 votes will be enough to even out any poor voters.

There's no way to stop people from voting to bring down games.  It's going to happen.  We could drop the lowest and highest, but I have a feeling that wouldn't help a whole lot.

Too all the people that tanked votes I would like to say thanks for wasting Eddies time. He could of been working on something more useful. But instead he had to fix the Top 100 because you are a jackass.

Since Eddie's changed the required number of votes let me just say that everyone should really, really, vote on these games. Do you all really want E.T. to be RF Generation's 100th best game? Is Marble Madness really the 19th worst game? Perhaps you think they are, but the message should be clear-- vote!

I think that dropping the top and the bottom X number of votes is a good idea.

IMDB does something like that to rate the movies.  They share their rating system if you want to take a look. (Too lazy to look it up right now.)

Yeah ET being on there is a bit of a downer, but overall I think it's a good switch. I actually recognize most of the games.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  :yuck: Not ET, my life has lost all meaning, I don't know what is what. If ET is one of the top 100 games of all time, I just can't touch another game ever again.

Seriously though, I already gave ET my 5 so yeah, lets get some of those votes in.
Dose this mean no vote reset though?
I definitely approve of the 10 vote average though.

Here is something I think is probably impossible but will really work well if it is possible. Can we have it that votes are region independent? I mean it would be silly if the top 3 eventually dominated by each regions version of the same game.

I agree. Those of you who purposely tanked other games scores should be banned from voting. (IMO)
But that probably wont happen. Please give an honest opinion of games you have played. Also, let see everybody vote for games they own! (this would be great)

Yeah, us bastards shouldn't even be allowed here!

The list really sucks now though. Out of 25 thousand games, custard's revenge is number 100 with a score of 35.35. Isn't 10 too many?

If they are going to screw up the voting just because they don't like a system yeah they shouldn't be able to vote.

I don't see it as screwing up the voting.

The way I see it, there's a list of games in a specific order and if you want your favorite games on top of the list, you'll have to vote other games down. It's very strategic voting and I really don't see what's wrong with it. I wouldn't be upset if someone who really loves Chrono Trigger votes the 4 games that are ahead of it in the list a 5, so Chrono trigger could get the top spot. That's simply how it works.

So you would vote a ganme down even if you have never played it just to get your favorites on top of the list?

Yes, if I believe that will result in a top 100 I can relate to better I would.

Yes, and given 3 people's tendencies towards sega it makes it somewhat skewed.

I've think we've discussed this into the ground.

Thats not the point of a Top 100 list. The list isnt your top 100.

Sorry Dave

Hum...you know what would fix the list......MORE VOTING!!!!

Edit: And I successfully killed another thread...:(