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this is something that has been bugging the shit out of me for a while and i finally decided to put it into words. i am sure everyone has seen some thread about wanting sega to make a new system. but hear me out on this one, i have some logical reasons.

1. the words 'nintendo' and 'sonic' do not belong in the same sentence.

2. the dreamcast's graphics (i think) are remotely comparable to an xbox (not 360). the dreamcast ran on a windows processor and a few years later microsoft comes out with the xbox. hmmmmmm.

3. sega was the first to have online gaming.

4. the game gear rocked. i still think its better then a ds. its brighter and has a tv adapter.... nintendo has yet to make a handheld with as many capabilities (i.e. tv, master gear converter, brighter screen, bigger screen, etc.)

5. sega has always been ahead of itself. they need to sit back down with the dreamcast and expand the horizons (i.e. dvd lens, high speed modem, etc.)

6. sega cd. not very popular but they had the right idea of where to go with technology. they knew where gaming was going.

thats the basics of whats been bugging me. i am not sure of how you feel but i think these are legit reasons for sega to get back on top of the gaming world. because sonic should never be on a nintendo system. thats like putting nixon on a $100 bill, its just not right. please share your thoughts on this, i would like to hear what people think.

Ya Sega kicks ass.  It's really too bad that they mis-managed/rushed the launch of the Sega CD, 32X, and then the Saturn.  Really, instead of releasing those 3 systems they should have focused on one system that kicked ass, and then there might not have been a Playstation 2...Makes you wonder.  Even though Sega did a great job with the Dreamcast, they had already disheartened so many gamers that grew up playing the Genesis, so most just waited for the PS2.

And to comment on your points:

1:  I would have never imagined even back in the late 90's that Sonic would be on a Nintendo system, and that it would be a watered down Sonic...How sad is that... 

2.  I've always thought the DC's graphics were super-polished looking.  Games like Soul Calibur, Daytona USA, and Sonic Adventure look so awesome.  No jaggies, just smooth as hell.

3.  Ya, they were, although I never really got into online gaming myself...

4.  Still don't own a GG, although I will be getting one eventually and have always heard good things about them.

5.  Yep.

6.  Yep.  (sorry..it's late..lol)

I chose the Genny over the SNES back in the early 90's and Sonic blew my mind back then and I became a Segaphile until about the launch of the Playstation.  (I chose the PS over the Saturn.)

I used to love sega as much as the next nerd, but I'm not sure if I want them to make another system. If they can't make good games for other systems, why could they make good games for their own? What great mind blowing games has sega released since the end of the dreamcast? I can't name a single one. Sure, they have some fun titles, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Also, your reasons don't sound logical to me at all. You're glorifying the past, as if that guarantees good games for a new sega console. Sega wasn't the first with a cd-rom drive. If there's one example of a gaming company not knowing where gaming was going, it was sega. They released the 32X, for god's sake! If they had known where gaming was going, they'd be leading the market now, instead of making b titles for other consoles. And if you think the dreamcast looks as good as the xbox, you're blind.

Everything that is true:

everything except the game gear thing was true.  let me put it this way: The PSP is a modern game gear.  and i think the 32x is a great (and strange) system.  sure they were stupid to release it, but i still like it.
any modern sonic game sucks.  they are to short and nothing like the originals, every time they make a new game they just add blank the animal pal and throw in the 50 other animals.

I agree with this.

I am a big Sega fan but I don't think they should make a new system.

hey did anybody else think xbox 360s controller is strangely similar to the DC?  (without the vmu)

I didnt.

nobody else i asked thought so, bought i did.  and i think sega should make a new system because i think that they would have learned from there mistakes not to release crap systems.i would wish atari would come back but they would have no 3rd party support and it would probly be the atari jaguar 2.

i also look at it as it could of happened to nintendo, hell, it STILL could happen to nintendo.

The Dreamcast was not crap but Sega screwed themselves with the 32X and the Sega CD so no third party software companies wanted to make games for teh Saturn or DC.

Which is a real shame, since the Saturn and the DC could have been so much better than they have turned out to be.  I love my DC to death, and I've thoroughly enjoyed my Saturn library, but I would have liked to see the kind of first-party support that would encourage third parties to come on board.

Even still though, gotta love the gems that did come from third parties, Powerstone and Soul Caliber being the two biggest examples.

But I agree, Sega probably shouldn't make another console.  Unless possibly a new handheld that can "perfect" the Game Gear (better battery life, less LARGE, sharper screen, all that kind of jazz), because then they can create stuff a little bit more "old-school," which they're one of the best at.  I'd love to see something like that happen, and they might have enough still in them to pull it off.

But full-on console?  Don't think so.

all of you have good points. i can understand the idea of the psp being a modern gg. it slipped my mind when i wrote the post of the psp and its movie capabilities and nice clear screen. and someone mentioned  sega should do a new handheld. i dont think it would survive due top the psp and its popularity. id just like to see a new consol.
i think the dreamcast had a lot of good titles: power stone, soul calibur, marvel vs capcom 1 & 2, capcom vs snk, illbleed, sonic adventure, shenmue, and the list goes on.
atari jaguar 2........ most people dont associate new systems with atari (at least i dont). when someone says atari i think of pong.
i can understand people losing their faith in sega with the string of crappy add-ons. but i think the name sega alone is in everybodys minds that when they see a commercial and hear that sega scream and see a new consol is in the making that it would peak interrest.
i know they probably wont make another consol but i can still dream.

Are you forgetting the DS and GBA?



If Sega ever did make a new system they would have to become one of the top if not thee top software makers. Get people lovin their games and then make them exclusives to their new systems.

i am really not impressed with the ds or gba. i think the backlight is dull and looks like a glorified gameboy color. i think they are inferior to the game gear. but the psp on the other hand i think is slick.

Last Week in Japan:
DSL 262,453
PSP 35,938
7.3 DS Lites sold for every PSP. Just wait until FFIII comes out


June US Sales
1.) Nintendo DS - 593,000 (+307%)
4.) PlayStation Portable - 221,000 (+39%)
Little more than 2:1.
PSP Popular?! Ha. The DS Prints Nintendo Money.

I'd kill for a Blue DS Lite. My Cobalt GBAsp is sexy, and the new model GBAsp and DS Lite both have blindingly bright backlights.

Sega is a sad story, I would agree with most people when they say that the 3rd party Sega's games tend to be lackluster (exception to the rule-- Super Monkey Ball).  However, maybe the next generation will bring something new from Sega. New tools, new chances, perhaps the future is brighter when it comes to Sega's games.

The back lite on the DS Lite is awesome.

I liked Segas systems as well.  I wish they would make a comeback.  But sadly, software makes the money in this industry, not hardware

look at it this way. back in the day there were many systems to choose from. now its down to 3 main competators: xbox, playstation and nintendo. i liked it better when there was more to choose from.

I don't know about all that noise.  NEC was really the first company to release a CD based system with the Turbo Grafx CD, but that is one of those inane points that should only be used when you don't have anything to argue about.

As for the Game Gear being better than both the GBA and DS, man are you blind?  Yes, it's nice to be able to listen to music, watch TV, play games, and peel a potato with one device, but I buy game systems to play games.  I hate it when a company announces that thier new system will perform 1001 tasks because it just means that I have to pay 3 times as much to have a bunch of things that I'm not going to use much, if at all.  Sure, I can download and save song's to my XBox's hard drive, but I've only done that with one song, just to find out how to do it.

And the Game Gear brighter than the GBA or DS?  I've played with all 3 in a close proximity of time, and the backlights on the SP and DSLite are powered by, and I'm 99% sure of this, small, highly condensed white dwarf stars.


I just realized how venomous this sounded.  I swear I didn't mean for it to come out like that.  Damn, I feel like a Nintendo fanboy now.  I have to go write in my journal [/emo]

the GBA doesnt even have a backlight. and i have had a chance to play the ds. its ok. i still dont think its lit enough as the game gear is. i think its just that i am stuck on the old school gaming. like i have more fun playing my genesis then i do my game cube. besides i think the game cube controller is annoying as shit. and besides whats wrong with a handheld doing a 1001 things. i like pealing my potatoes while i jam on some sonic.

I think you just love Sega too much to say Nintendo has a better handheld.

they dont. reguardless that i am a nintendo fan too. but yeah i got a boner for sega. the only handheld i see superior to the game gear was the psp. that thing blew my mind with the new tekken.

Well I might actually agree system wise that the Game Gear was pretty awesome, besides the insane eating of batteries. But game wise you gotta give it to Nintendo.

Take off the SEGA glasses.

PSP has the same problem the GameGear had, nice hardware but a barebone software library, i don't think any handheld compares with the GBA SP2 when you've got 17 years worth of games playable on that system, not to mention a selection of the best Nes, SNES, and a few Genesis games to boot, all playable on a backlit screen that rivals the DS lite and smaller size overall than any other handheld before it.

i wish i had a pair of the 3d glasses for the sega master system.

So do I maybe you could see better.

at least i would be able to play missle defense 3d without getting a headache.

1. the words 'nintendo' and 'sonic' do not belong in the same sentence.

Why not?

2. the dreamcast's graphics (i think) are remotely comparable to an xbox (not 360).

So wrong it completely null and voids the rest of your argument, but I'll move on anyway because this is fun.

3. sega was the first to have online gaming.

Wrong. The Famicom, yes the original NES, was. Over in Japan.

4. the game gear rocked. i still think its better then a ds. its brighter and has a tv adapter.... nintendo has yet to make a handheld with as many capabilities (i.e. tv, master gear converter, brighter screen, bigger screen, etc.)

This is an opinion, and yet is still wrong. It is as bright as a DS lite, and the DS does have more features, what the hell are you smoking?

5. sega has always been ahead of itself. they need to sit back down with the dreamcast and expand the horizons (i.e. dvd lens, high speed modem, etc.)

Yes, Sega needs to sit back down and fix a system that is roughly 8 years old.

6. sega cd. not very popular but they had the right idea of where to go with technology. they knew where gaming was going.

Good thing Sega knew how to draw in 3rd party support and provide killer games M I RITE?! Seriously, I agree with that last comment.


Also none of those ideas are new or logical and have all been shot down in the past.

Oh, and since it's just that bad...

This is something that has been bugging the shit out of me for a while and I finally decided to put it into words. I am sure everyone has seen the thread about wanting sega to make a new system, but hear me out on this one, I have some logical reasons.

1. The words 'Nintendo' and 'Sonic' do not belong in the same sentence.

2. The Dreamcast's graphics,shouldbeaspacehereI think, are remotely comparable to an Xbox (not 360)<--- Reword this. The Dreamcast ran on a windows processor and a few years later Micro$oft comes out with the Xbox. hmmmmmm. <--- Is this necessary?

3. Sega was the first to have online gaming.

4. The Game Gear rocked. I still think it's better then a DS. It's brighter and has a TV adapter. Nintendo has yet to make a handheld with as many capabilities (i.e. TV, Master Gear converter, brighter screen, bigger screen, etc.)

5. Sega has always been ahead of itself. They need to sit back down with the dreamcast and expand it's horizons (i.e. DVD lens, high speed modem, etc.)

6. Sega CD.<--- I fail to see how this is a sentence. Not very popular but they(who?) had the right idea of where to go with technology. They(who?) knew where gaming was going.

That's the basics of what has been bugging me. i am not sure of(no need for the of) how you feel but i think these are legitimate reasons for Sega to get back on top of the gaming world.(no need for the period) Because Sonic should never be on a Nintendo system. That's like putting Nixon on a $100 bill, it's just not right. Please share your thoughts on this, I would like to hear what people think.



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Oh...... I get it :genius: Microsoft with a $ (dollar sign) :laugh:  Now that's damn funny.

Micro$oft.


However, I agree with the whole punctuation and capitalization thing ;)

2 things. First, I agree that there are too many gadgets (gaming and non-gaming) with too many features that do not get used. I mean, wouldn't the PSP have been a much better idea if they put more R&D into gaming options rather than scamming the public on it also being able to play movies? Portable DVD players are less than a hundred bucks...and they play regular DVDs, not some specialized PSP-platform specific crap. Non-gaming: remember the palm pilot? The PDA? Next in line...the blackberry.

Second. I have to admit that I waited a long time before ever utilizing the soundtracks option on my xbox, but when I did, it at least makes racing games that much more fun to play when you can set up your own song set to use instead of the majority of over-marketed pseudo-grunge crap that's the game's default music. :P Check into the feature, it's a good one.

I have yet to rip a song to my Xbox. Or even but a music CD in it.

Try it. It's hilarious to race with Ray Charles' "Mess Around" playing in the background. 8)

I like where sega is going with letting top titles go on to plug and play games.  I've been craven some menancer action and low and behold plug and play menacer.  Not quite the rifle look of the gun but nice none the less.  Nothing can beat killing roaches with a gun and flashlight.

Awe, all this debating of hand-helds, and not one vote for the Nomad.... sure it really loved it's batteries... I even had to buy some longer lasting rechargeables for it. And it was heavy 'n' big. But I loved that thing, back lit when my mate's original GBA was not, huge library of games, plus the best 2 player support. Just plug in an extra control, no need to bug mates into buying them selves the same system just to to link up.

I also don't think the 32X or Mega-CD were bad ideas. In fact I loved the Mega-CD, and Snatcher on it is still my all time favourite.

At any rate, back to the point. Sega should not make a new system as it is not the same Sega you know and love any more. Embrace the found memories, and go retro. Collect all the games you always wanted to play on your favourite system and share your joy with the rest of RF Generation as those glory days will never be again as we now live in the age of pop games.... I'm assuming that's what RF Generation is all about... do today's systems even use RF?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/X-Box-Official-RF-Unit/dp/B00005RKPO/sr=8-2/qid=1157817843/ref=sr_1_2/026-7999739-0054050?ie=UTF8&s=gateway

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gamexpert-Gold-Plated-Adaptor-PS2/dp/B0009S72RW/sr=8-1/qid=1157818184/ref=sr_1_1/026-7999739-0054050?ie=UTF8&s=gateway

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gamexpert-RF-Unit-GameCube/dp/B0009S72QS/sr=8-1/qid=1157818325/ref=sr_1_1/026-7999739-0054050?ie=UTF8&s=gateway

Wow, that's cool.  So many years on, I wonder if the next gen systems will still offer RF.

sega should stay dead and buried, i wouldnt be able to stand the heartbreak of another failure

the sega cd was not a failure, it wasnt a runaway success, but it was the most successful console add-on ever released.  the system had a shelf life of 3+ years, and well over 100 games were released for the system.  that is more than the master system

the saturn and 32x were released too close to one another.  had the 32x been given more time to take hold, it couldve performed the task it was meant to perform... a next gen stop gap.  virtua fighter on the 32x was outstanding, and i could only imagine what a daytona or virtua cop couldve been.

the extra time also wouldve given sega more time to work on and perfect the saturn and give it a proper release with virtua fighter 2, virtua cop 2, sega rally and others.  sony didnt really take off until final fantasy vii was released in 97.

the other HUGE mistake sega made that nobody mentions was how the genesis was all but abandoned in 1995.  16 bit was still the biggest chunk of the game market, despite the plethora of platforms that were on the market at the time.  nintendo knew this, and gobbled up what sega willingly gave up.

I guess the problem is you just don't know how things will turn out.

Personally I think the biggest mistake Sega made was Bernie Stolar. Ex Sony Computer Entertainment president, gone Sega president (who the heck though that was a good idea). He was very unprofessional about the whole thing, and brought over his hatred of the Saturn. Here are his most famous and public quote about the Saturn. 1st his most memorable "Saturn is not our future", but also "Did not have very good games" and of course his "Were not that fun to play". So the less said about him the better.

Master System may not of done well in the US or Japan, but really no fault of it's own or Sega's, as Nintendo had an monopoly at this time that couldn't be shaken, as when their "make games four our system then you can't make games for any other" policy was ruled illegal, they brought in a "make a game for our system and that same game can't appear on another system for the next 4 years". With legal matters taking a long time to resolve as well, they well and truly had them selves covered, and no one could of broken through this. Not to mention a very clever entry into the US market in witch Nintendo originally promised to buy back any unsold stock! I still have more respect for Nintendo over this though (for one, it was only Nintendo of America with these) as at least they didn't boast fake stats for their system, and belittled their rival system with made up system specs for it too ey Sony :\ but that's all past now.

The Master System did incredibly well outside of North America and Japan however.

The MegaDrive (Genesis) was a remarkable system, and was able to overthrow the NES. With the SNES still a whole two years away it really built up a name for itself and Sega in America. I understand why they chose to abandon development for it though, they felt they were stretching their resources to far. At the time in all around the world every one of their systems were still alive all at once in one part or another. The Master System, Game Gear, Mega Drive were all alive somewhere in the world. Also, as this was probably more of a Sega of Japan decision, lets also remember the MegaDrive wasn't as huge a hit over there as it was in the rest of the world. The SNES steam rolled right over it there.

However I completely agree that keeping the MegaDrive / Genesis alive would of been a great idea, even if not in Japan, for the rest of the world. The Nomad was great, and 16-bit games would of been so easy to program by this point, it would not of even taken much effort. This also means more money for their newer systems until the day everyone is ready to upgrade.

32X and Saturn. Why so close together? Well the 32X was to be the affordable NextGen device. 32X for your average gamer, and Saturn as a luxury hardcore system. There wasn't really anything wrong with the Saturn in terms of power. To believe the Sony's story of the Saturn only being a 2D system is a little foolish. Because why would Sega make their cheaper add-on 3D and not their luxury model? I mean blimey, even the MegaDrive did 3D. Also to believe that you'd have to also pretend that Sega never relied on it's arcade to home ports as it's major selling point from all the way back to the Master System. After all, Sega was already making 3D games in the arcades, why make a system they couldn't even port them too?

The Saturn was by no means a failure though, and like chrisbid said, before FF7, the Saturn still had a fighting chance.
I think Edge magazine issue 51 sums the Saturn's life outside of Japan best.

"The Saturn, casualty of the second-generation 32bit console war, is neither 3DO or Jaguar. It boasts arcade conversions that Namco rivals but rarely beats, classy RPGs and support from offbeat developers such as Treasure. It is, in short, the hardcore gamer's machine of the 90's. In this sense, Sega's failure is also it's greatest triumph."

Not only that, the Saturn was the first time Sega was finally able to out sell the Super Nintendo in Japan. The Saturn did hugely well in Japan in fact, and was considered the hardcore gamer machine just like it was always planned to be, while the Playstation for anyone else. This is also reflected by sales, with PS consoles outselling Saturns, but more Saturn games selling than PS games in Japan.... phew all done.