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Title: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were right] Post by: Lord Nepenthean on December 07, 2005, 12:08:23 PM Check this out. Japanese analysts are saying that Xbox 360 will essentially flop in Japan, just like the Xbox did. The person who wrote the article below seems to disagree, but is not paying attention to something that is very, very important - the X630 software library. Japanese people don't give a shit about Halo. They think it sucks (which it does). They don't care about Madden, or Tiger Woods, or Call of Duty, or any of the other first-person shooter, sports, or first-person shooter/sports combo games that are out or coming out for the Xbox 360. They want mosquito simulators, dating games, and RPG's - all things that will never have much of a presence on Xbox. (Please don't be a smartass and mention Fable or something like that. You know what I mean.)
My prediction sides with the Japanese analysts. I think X360 may do slightly better than Xbox did, but considering that last week Xbox had 0.6% of the market share in Japan, I doubt this new system is going to do much there. Article: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3146136 Quote Japanese Analysts Diss the Xbox 360 "Basic functions of Xbox 360 are inferior to Sony's next-generation machine." by Jane Pinckard, 12/07/2005 0 of 1 users recommend this story. Wow. Japanese analysts are just not buying the Xbox 360 hype. In a report released today from AFX, a financial news subsidiary of France-Press, securities and industry analysts in Japan are quoted saying some very pessimistic things about the prospects of Microsoft's Xbox 360 in the island nation. Woo Japanese consumers? Analysts say NOT - and the launch is supposed to happen this weekend, December 10th. "We had previously thought that Xbox 360 could gain a major share of the Japanese market by taking some market share from front-runner Sony Computer," says an analyst for Mitsubishi UFJ Securities. "But we now think that such a prospect may not be realized, given the limited attractiveness of its titles and its lukewarm functions." "No one -- consumers or software makers -- has been talking about the Xbox 360 lately, although we only have a couple of days before the release," said another analyst from Tokai Tokyo Research Center. "Given also the fact that basic functions of Xbox 360 are inferior to Sony's next-generation machine, and that there are not many newly-developed titles ready for the Japanese launch, Xbox 360 is not likely to become a must-buy console here in Japan," he added. Wha-? Just where does he get that information? Do we even know the final specs of the PS3? Do they know something we don't? Once again I wonder, as always, just how do analysts come up with this stuff? Well, we'll know by Monday if they're right. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: CatchFiveBats on December 07, 2005, 02:32:06 PM I totally agree that Xbox 360 will do terribly in Japan, just like the Xbox did...because it's the same system with slightly more power and a few extra features that no one in Japan really cares about because they want a gaming machine, and not a media center. Plus, IMO, the games suck, and I'm pretty sure that most people in Japan will agree with me.
And speaking of mosquito simulators, Mister Mosquito is awesome. - Zac Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Hydrobond on December 07, 2005, 03:26:17 PM It has one more thing counting against it.  It's an American product.  If there is a Japanese product, the American product has to be far, far better than the Japanese one before they will consider purchasing it. ÂÂÂ
Perhaps Microsoft would be better off putting some Engrish on the box itself? Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Lord Nepenthean on December 07, 2005, 04:23:06 PM Quote Perhaps Microsoft would be better off putting some Engrish on the box itself? Ahahaha. That's a terrible stereotype, but so funny. Regarding the first part of your post - Yeah, agreed. It's very true. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: captain_nintendo on December 07, 2005, 04:24:33 PM There are several games that did show well when the 360 was revealed in Japan.
I cant remember the list, but I think some were Jap only releases. (some RPG'S) Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Tynstar on December 08, 2005, 06:11:05 AM Quote Plus, IMO, the games suck, and I'm pretty sure that most people in Japan will agree with me. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) So 100% of teh games on the Xbox suck? I agree the 360 wont do all that well in Japan. Why do they even bother to release it over there? Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Arrrhalomynn on December 08, 2005, 07:57:45 AM Didn't microsoft say they would get more japanese games on the 360? I vaguely remember reading something like that.
One the one hand I think Microsoft learned (at least a bit) from their mistakes in the past, and they will market it better towards the Japanese. But on the other hand they have to do very well to wash away the stench of failure that surrounds the xbos. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Lord Nepenthean on December 08, 2005, 08:15:22 AM Quote Didn't microsoft say they would get more japanese games on the 360? I vaguely remember reading something like that. One the one hand I think Microsoft learned (at least a bit) from their mistakes in the past, and they will market it better towards the Japanese. But on the other hand they have to do very well to wash away the stench of failure that surrounds the xbos. Yes, they did say that. I think they have some minor agreements with some companies to bring more Japanese games to the system (maybe even Square Enix? I don't remember), but there's nothing huge to speak of. The system is still clearly geared towards FPS and Sports games, and the Japanese are not too blind to see that this is where most of the software support will come from. You do make a good point about washing away the failure of the original Xbox. It will be interesting to see if they can do that, because they definitely need to. Dreamcast failed here because Sega didn't do a good enough job of erasing the memory of Sega CD, 32X, and Saturn. Microsoft certainly has more resources to change things, but they have a huge uphill battle in Japan. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: yap on December 08, 2005, 09:40:17 AM Quote I agree the 360 wont do all that well in Japan. Why do they even bother to release it over there? I imagine because Microsoft wants income from 3rd party developers licensing. Why would a 3rd party developer waste all the time / effort / and (most importantly) cash if Microsoft had no presense in the biggest console VG nation in the world? They'd lose all 3rd party developers, and with the loss they're taking on each console would soon go out of business. Videogames are a world-wide market now. It is not enough to do well in just one market. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: shadaik on December 08, 2005, 10:25:46 AM Quote It has one more thing counting against it. It's an American product. Worse - it's a MIcro$oft. |D Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: shadaik on December 08, 2005, 10:28:06 AM Quote Didn't microsoft say they would get more japanese games on the 360? I vaguely remember reading something like that. Yeah, but what exactly does M$ mean when saying japanese games? Most propably they talk games like Jade Empire. They are not bad, they may become japanese mass-markt - but they are too ordinary. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Tynstar on December 08, 2005, 10:41:08 AM Quote I imagine because Microsoft wants income from 3rd party developers licensing. Why would a 3rd party developer waste all the time / effort / and (most importantly) cash if Microsoft had no presense in the biggest console VG nation in the world? They'd lose all 3rd party developers, and with the loss they're taking on each console would soon go out of business. Videogames are a world-wide market now. It is not enough to do well in just one market. Yeah I know. I wonder what the dollar figures are for each region of the world. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: CatchFiveBats on December 08, 2005, 11:06:31 AM Quote So 100% of teh games on the Xbox suck? No (I have 4 of them, soon to be 5), but I think all the Xbox 360 launch titles suck. They're so bland and run-of-the-mill. There's nothing there that makes me go "Man, I want to play that." The only announced game on 360 that I can remember I want off the top of my head is Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and that's not even an exclusive title. Then again, I haven't been paying much attention to 360 news. - Zac Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Tynstar on December 08, 2005, 11:15:36 AM Quote No (I have 4 of them, soon to be 5), but I think all the Xbox 360 launch titles suck. They're so bland and run-of-the-mill. There's nothing there that makes me go "Man, I want to play that." The only announced game on 360 that I can remember I want off the top of my head is Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and that's not even an exclusive title. Then again, I haven't been paying much attention to 360 news. - Zac Oh OK I thought you where talking about the XBox and saying all the games sucked for that. I would agree with you on the 360 launch titles. I think some look good but nothing OMG!!!!!!!1!!!!1! I have to get that. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: NDiddy on December 08, 2005, 12:00:19 PM Quote I imagine because Microsoft wants income from 3rd party developers licensing. Why would a 3rd party developer waste all the time / effort / and (most importantly) cash if Microsoft had no presense in the biggest console VG nation in the world? They'd lose all 3rd party developers, and with the loss they're taking on each console would soon go out of business. Videogames are a world-wide market now. It is not enough to do well in just one market. I dont know about the value of the japanese market but looking in retrospect most of the xbox's best games were made in america or europe so the third party arguement is debatable. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: yap on December 08, 2005, 01:17:30 PM Where the 3rd party developers are located is insignificant. The 3rd party developer could be located in Redmond, given the choice of two consoles to develop for, why would they choose the console that has zero Japanese presence? They would sell fewer units. Dur.
Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: Arrrhalomynn on December 08, 2005, 02:10:37 PM Quote Where the 3rd party developers are located is insignificant. The 3rd party developer could be located in Redmond, given the choice of two consoles to develop for, why would they choose the console that has zero Japanese presence? They would sell fewer units. Dur. Because microsoft would pay them for it. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on December 08, 2005, 02:52:20 PM Well the real reason X-Box flops in Japan is that since the Japanese have no souls the M$ devils can't work their black magic on em.
Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 Post by: CatchFiveBats on December 08, 2005, 07:10:12 PM Quote Well the real reason X-Box flops in Japan is that since the Japanese have no souls the M$ devils can't work their black magic on em. That's terrible... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: - Zac Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Lord Nepenthean on December 12, 2005, 03:39:18 PM Seems the Xbox 360 has done very poorly in Japan thus far. I'm not surprised.
Article: http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=5888 Quote News - Xbox 360 launch in Japan not as big as US/Europe Posted by Ashton Liu at 09:41:03 AM EST on 12.12.2005. Despite all of Microsoft's efforts to sell the Xbox 360 to Japanese gamers, it seems that the Eastern gaming population is remaining adamant about their unenthusiastic attitude towards Microsoft and its consoles. In a direct contrast to the success of the American launch, when a central Tokyo outlet of the Bic Camera consumer electronics chain opened its doors at 7 in the morning, only 10 people were in line awaiting purchase of a 360. A store official said that custumor reactions are "a bit subdued" and that they had sold fewer than 50 consoles in the first two hours. Actual numbers vary depending on the source, but none claim a sell-out. One of the first Xbox360 buyers, 26-year-old Kentaro Okamoto, said, "It's not going to be a big hit in Japan. I buy every new game console... but normally Japanese customers only buy a machine when it's made by Sony or Nintendo. Microsoft needs to make enormous efforts to overtake its Japanese competitors." Another early buyer of Microsoft's new system, 28-year-old Mayuko Taniguchi, said that she was aware she was in the minority population of Japan that would buy an Xbox 360, saying "I think many people would rather wait for PlayStation 3 or Revolution." It looks like Microsoft still has an uphill battle ahead of them if they want to win over the Japanese crowd. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Izret101 on December 12, 2005, 04:25:41 PM You know i would have never guessed this one.
Honestly why who saw this coming? Honestly i don't see how this made news. Even M$ should have seen this coming. They are going to somehow manage to become Sony/Nintendo over there. Maybe steal some franchises? But since it is a "newcomer" AND an american company to a industry that honestly they have been doing best they arn't going to take chances. Besides Japan prides itself on it loyalty and pride. No way would they let some "round eye" company beat them at their own game in their own turf. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: CatchFiveBats on December 12, 2005, 06:59:18 PM I say good for you, Japan. I wish American taste was as good as yours.
- Zac Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Tynstar on December 12, 2005, 08:37:24 PM Quote I say good for you, Japan. I wish American taste was as good as yours. - Zac Move then |D ;) :P Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: shaggy on December 13, 2005, 04:52:07 AM I totally agree. I think the Xbox 360 will flop in Japan. Like Lord says they want RPG's, sims, and survival horror type game. I don't think Microsoft is going to dwell too much into that realm.
Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: captain_nintendo on December 13, 2005, 05:40:17 AM They dont like American products for the most part over there. (seriously)
Hopefully some japenese companies will start producing games for the 360. That is the only way I can see the 360 making any headway over there. :-/ (cant wait for Gears of War) ;) Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Hydrobond on December 13, 2005, 06:03:13 AM It's not that they hate American products, it's that they favor all native products.  If there is a Japanese made substitute, they will buy that instead.  In this case, there happen to be two alternatives coming out in the near future. ÂÂÂ
If there is one country they hate unconditionally, it would be China. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Arrrhalomynn on December 13, 2005, 06:03:25 AM Quote I say good for you, Japan. I wish American taste was as good as yours. - Zac I say I'm getting a bit tired of your constant xbox bashing. If you want to play fanboy (or anti-fanboy, whtaever), please do so elsewhere. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on December 13, 2005, 07:42:14 AM Well I'm tired of you getting tired of x-box bashing. Death to Micro$oft!!!!!!
Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: captain_nintendo on December 13, 2005, 08:40:55 AM sigh....... ::)
You know, a few years ago if a system did not sell well in Japan, it would mean bad things. But not today....... Sales in the U.S. / Canada and Europe are enough. ;) Thats all I gotta say :P Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: CatchFiveBats on December 13, 2005, 09:01:21 AM Quote I say I'm getting a bit tired of your constant xbox bashing. If you want to play fanboy (or anti-fanboy, whtaever), please do so elsewhere. Will do. Now that I think about it, that one was a little too harsh... :-/ Sorry... - Zac Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Lord Nepenthean on December 13, 2005, 09:08:05 AM Here are some official numbers. This is so bad that I can't help but laugh (both because it is funny and out of pity).
Article: http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=5894 Quote Numbers released by Media Create indicate that since its launch on December 10, the Xbox 360 has sold 41,817 units in the first two days, or 28% of the total amount. This is considerably worse than Microsoft's launch of the original Xbox, which sold about 122,000 units during the three days following its February 22, 2002 launch in Japan. Each Xbox 360 sells for 37,900 yen (~$316), excluding tax, and comes with a 20 GB external hard drive. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Tynstar on December 13, 2005, 11:08:45 AM Bring the ones that didnt sell there here. I want my 360!!!! :pissed:
Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: captain_nintendo on December 13, 2005, 01:55:36 PM Quote Bring the ones that didnt sell there here. I want my 360!!!!  :pissed: Fuck yeah....... :pissed: Screw them if they dont want to buy a system that has some power. The games will come, YES THEY WILL!!!! Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: Tynstar on December 13, 2005, 02:28:20 PM For the record more power doesn't equal better games.
Now where is my O2 Type & Tell Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: shadaik on December 14, 2005, 01:21:26 PM Quote sigh....... ::) You know, a few years ago if a system did not sell well in Japan, it would mean bad things. But not today....... Sales in the U.S. / Canada and Europe are enough. ;) Thats all I gotta say :P I doubt that sales in Europe are enough - we didn't get enough to be able to have enough sales at all. And the main indicator for a hit or flop to me is ebay. And the X360 is nothing like a hit there. Surprisingly to myself, it is the first video game console ever that did not draw any of my attention. Title: Re: Japanese analysts on X360 [UPDATE:They were ri Post by: kimble989 on December 14, 2005, 07:09:01 PM I agree, the x360 didn't do much for me either. Mostly b/c I wasn't going to pay big$$$ for it!
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