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Rather than make a whole Blog Post about this, I figured it'd be better to post on the forums this time.

Mighty No. 9 is not a bad game! Don't let the likes of GameSpot/IGN/Other Reviewers lie to you. If you enjoy Mega Man X, or even the original Mega Man games, you'll like this game, I am sure. I post this message in the hopes that our members who are fans of Mega Man or Platformers in general will give it a try. I will say, however, that your better off getting one of the Console Versions. The Steam release has a nasty save data bug that, as of this message, has yet to be resolved.

Thank you for your time. Fight on, for everlasting peace!

DISCLAIMER: I am a non-attorney, non-paid, non-spokesperson for this game. In other words, a fan. :)

I plan on playing the X1 version soon, and I'll post my impressions here as well.

Yeah, I'm still looking forward to playing mine when it arrives. I always prefer to form my wrong opinions after actually playing a game!;) Lots if critically-panned games are favorites of mine.

Just recently, I talked a buddy into actually playing Hyrule Warriors Legends on his 2DS instead of assuming it was unplayable. I thought it still ran fine and was quite fun. A few dozen hours into it, and he (like me) just can't understand the hate.

See, this is one of the reasons I love this site: The people here are understanding, and will form they're own opinions instead of listening to dumb critics. I swear, a critic could spill scalding hot spaghetti sauce all over himself and he'd say it didn't hurt for a few extra bucks.

I am in the same boat as these folks. I rarely pay attention to critics. I have definitely hated games critics loved, i.e. God of War, CoD: Modern Warfare. Loved games critics hated as well. I do the same thing with movies. Critics are helpful to me when I are trying to get a sense of what a game is about. That is it. They don't usually determine what I buy.

I will probably pick it up soon, hopefully a physical copy.

I absolutely cannot believe Sega, of all companies, had the nerve to post this crap. I defended Sonic Boom for these people!!

[img width=693 height=662]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a136/DarkTheThief/SonicTheJerk_zpskynoffnl.png[/img]

To be fair, the Sonic Twitter account is all tongue in cheek posts and memes.^

I think people are just ticked off from the various delays and from the REALLY bad trailer they stupidly put out. The internet has a really bad habit of not being able to judge something solely off of the content of a work. Ad hominem and bad PR is always dragged into reviews. I usually reserve judgement until I actually play a game and I will do so with this one. I was going to buy it on release but I think it can wait.

I got my copy today and gave it a bit of play. For me it is exactly what I expected, and that is a great thing. It feels like a 90s styled Mega Man inspired game with better graphics. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I'm digging the new Xel dash/absorb system. Haters gonna hate.

I just beat it, and it...was the best thing I have seen/played since Final Fantasy XI. Absolutely magnificent, I loved every minute of it. :)

.......The Rap Song during the Credits was a bit much though. :P

Redd, I believe that was a reference to this article: http://www.pcgamer.com/mighty-no-9-creator-says-its-better-than-nothing/

If that's what it is like, I want this game.

Another article recently said that he's not the one who said that. http://kotaku.com/mighty-no-9-s-designer-says-i-will-own-all-the-proble-1782382706

That said, it's still a very disrespectful stab at what is clearly a good game, especially when a good Sonic Game is practically nonexistent these days.

I would never trust Kotaku as a source for anything.

I've got this one on the list to pick up soon. How is the difficulty compared to other Mega Man games? Is there a Wily's Fortress type of area at the end?

It's fairly difficult. Maybe, and this is a big maybe, as hard as Mega Man 1. That, or somewhere between Mega Man 1 and Mega Man 2. You don't have to re-fight the other Mighty Numbers, but the last 3 stages feel like a Wily's Fortress setup, the only difference is that they are separate from one another. The last boss is DEFINITELY more difficult than the last boss from Mega Man X7 though, and that's saying something, because that mess is really hard to beat.

I donated a bunch of money to this game. I think I wasted that money. Awful AWFUL game. A game that does not understand what Mega Man is

You are entitled to your opinion, but fact is fact. It's a very good game, and a more-than-worthy successor to Mega Man.

I've quite enjoyed it so far. Got it now on two systems.  Not earthshaking, but pretty much exactly what I wanted/expected. I truly think that if it had not had the negative history behind it and simply released like a typical game, at its current budget price, reviews would have been higher and it would have been more highly thought of. Expectations and frustrations have built an idol this game could never attain.

Could it be better? Of course. But the released game is, IMO, fun and worthwhile.

Fact is it's not a good game but you're entitled to enjoy it.
Great music but the game is garbage. This game wants to be Mega Man but it doesn't understand what Mega Man is. You can beat the bosses without using a power up at all. That makes the entire game pointless. The level design is sporadic which again is not Mega Man. MM taught you everything you needed to know by level design without cut scenes to tell you. Mega Man has a consistent difficulty. Mighty No 9 is all over the place. Easy one moment  and  hard the next SEEMINGLY. It's not the kind of hard that teaches a player like say even Castlevania (8-16 bit era). It taught you as you played.

Mighty No. 9 feels like someone in the pS2 era wanted to clone Mega Man but had no idea how to make a Mega Man game. Like the dash mechanic in this..they removed the reason it's even there midway into development It's kind of pointless half the time. It's biggest selling point isn't needed for most of gameplay. To see what Mighty No. 9 SHOULD have been check out a PSP game called Mega Man powered up. While that game had the stupid VA stuff overall It understood Mega Man in every other faucet. Not a fan of the art style but it's challenging and each level teaches the player so that if you mess up it's your fault the second time. If you die in Mighty No 9 it's often the games fault.

You just assume oh it's challenging but no. The game itself is easy but designed so poorly you think it's hard.Another one is Mega Man X. It teaches everything you need to know in the first level of the game by great level design. Mighty No. 9 uses a modern game trope in treating the player like a moron. 20XX on steam is not the prettiest game but it fully understands Mega Man Level Design. This is not opinion but observation in game design as a whole.

^ I literally just got done watching a review and at the end of it  he says to buy 20XX instead. That its everything Mighty No. 9 is suppose to be, and that it itself is still in beta and is already a billion times better.

And you guys are literally like the only I have seen who like it, and I don't mean big name reviewers. I mean little reviewers who barely have any subscribers on youtube. This guy actually may have too much time to do this, but I should talk, I have too much time on my hands too. But its a 58 minute review on why he thinks it sucks. He only has 600 some odd subscribers. Thats not enough to suggest hes been paid off, 600 isn;t much in the world of Youtube reviews. But I think this video goes a bit over board. But then again, he too focuses a lot on the companies wrong doings over the course of the release of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweNiqG14eg

I'm glad someone likes it, but even in the non-paid-to-review world you are a bit of a minority this time.

(Hey Adam)

Your argument is crap. It does not want to be Mega Man, but it does know what Mega Man is. It *was* conceptualized by one of the creators of Mega Man after all. And the fact that you can beat the bosses without power-ups (which you stated yourself) does not make the game pointless. In fact, your own argument becomes invalid right there, as you said it should have been Mega Man Powered Up, which outright encourages the player to defeat the bosses without power-ups. Also, because Mighty No. 9 has varied difficulty, it should keep the player all the more interested. Also, it's not like a cutscene was easy to create in the days of the NES. The player was forced to learn on they're own because of technical limitations. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, not everyone who plays video games came from that time. Therefore, it was ultimately the correct decision to teach the player how to play this game in the way that it did. Unfortunately, I cannot counter your level design argument, because as someone who has played around with RPG Maker in the past, I never could design a map/level worth anything. I always had a friend help me there.

Moving on, the dash mechanic is absolutely needed. You cannot defeat a boss without it, and there are times throughout the whole game where you need it to get past certain obstacles. In the end, your "observation in game design as a whole" actually seems to be nostalgia blinding you. Without question, I am all for nostalgia and fine memories, but it is an error to become blinded by it. Gaming must move forward. I am a Mega Man fan to the end, and I was so upset when Mega Man Legends 3 was canned. But the only way to go is forward, and that is exactly what Mighty No. 9 has done.

We can continue this debate if you want. That's all this is to me: a debate. I am not out to start an all-out war, especially on this fine site.

Gentlemen, gentlemen.  Let's just all agree that Overwatch is better than Battleborn, despite the two games being almost nothing alike in game design, actual gameplay objectives, art style, game modes, or anything else directly comparable.  Since these two games cannot be directly compared, let's compare them anyway and say one is better. 

Wait, what subjective argument were we on? Oh yeah. Same-type stuff.  Yeah, Coke is obviously better than Pepsi.  Thank goodness everyone's taste-buds are the same, so we can all agree Mello Yello is superior anyway. :D

Sure, Mighty No.9 isn't perfect.  I still enjoy it better than half of Mega Man Legacy Collection.  (For fun I won't mention which three.)  There is no "fact" about what's fun or not, or even what constitutes a 'good' game to absolutely everyone.  (I think Sewer Shark is a good game, and I know I'm in the minority there.)   Some like MN9 (Redd, myself, quite a few folks who played it at our place) and there are those who don't. 

I appreciate folks chiming in with their thoughts and preferences, even backing up specific reasons for such.  And most of us have been frustrated with a game or two we think didn't get a fair shake, or an under-rated game people don't talk about much.  But fact is not, by definition, subjectivity changed by popular opinion.  It is a fact that many who have played MN9 at our place have enjoyed it.  It is a fact that many people who have reviewed the game online did not like it overall.  What cannot be established as fact is whether or not a game is "fun" period, or "good" to an individual preference.  It will always depend on the person.

Please, let's actively pursue keeping RFG civil and not devolving into constant stream of negative nonsense that so many other gaming sites have become. If someone doesn't like a game, is disappointed in a game, wants to rant about a game, go for it.  But let's not tell anyone their fun is "right" or "wrong" or that they are "right" or "wrong" for disliking a game.  Save that talk for the political forums. ;)   

slackur, you are the only person on this planet who has ever defied my logic and had me agree. I read your entire post above 3 times, but I can't argue it (nor do I really want to do that anyway). You are right, plain and simple. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised though. You have over 6000 Games, 3 blue stars, and (from what I know) a brilliant mind.

That said, I will not continue my debate, as originally stated. :) I am choosing to walk away from this thread, which I originally started out of anger anyway.

Nothin' but love for ya,  Redd. And I appreciate your presence here. :)