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Episode 22 is live for those that know where to find it.

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My fave bits from the intro:


0:23-  “The Only Man in Canada with a Tan” should be Crabby’s official title on his Discussion Board profile.


0:46 - Meanwhile, the freakin’ Sharks blew a 3-games-to-0 lead over the lowdown-no-good-scumbag Kings. They had FOUR GODDAMNED CHANCES to advance, and couldn’t pull it off. And don’t get me started on the Warriors’ playoff series loss against another lowdown-no-good-scumbag Hell-A team, the Clippers…


4:52- “Well… girls can be dudes…”
“WHAT?! I don’t wanna meet the girls that are dudes.”
“Well, to each his own…”
Best exchange of the entire intro…


5:17-  “I came for the checklists, but I stayed for the friendships.” Holy crap, it’s almost like I had an advanced copy of this Collectorcast, and plagiarized your statement when I posted the story of how I found RF Gen on Bickman’s latest blog post...

http://www.rfgeneration.com/blogs/bickman2k/A-Personal-Thank-You-2761.php

...and my "How Did You Discover RF Generation?" thread.

http://www.rfgeneration.com/forum/index.php?topic=13844.msg197596

That’s downright spooky…


5:50- Don’t edit it out, just use it as a teaser for the new podcast. A little viral advertising as it were…


8:48- Dammit, Bil, don’t be giving him ideas! Though if he is gonna hire someone to do it, it might as well be EngineerMike.


9:40- With Metal Storm of course! At least, that’s how I’d top it, anyway.


11:20- Hey now!


13:19- HEY NOW!


14:51- You had me at “sexual innuendos and poop jokes,” my good man. Now I gotta find me a copy of this bad boy. BTW would you consider it an "unloved" title to blog about?  ;D



'Late

Considering the discussion about PS2 complete set collecting.

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PS2 is by far my favorite console but, HELL NO. There are a TON of crap games for it and all those sports games.

You mean all those Mary Kate and Ashley games are crap?!

Great show guys! It felt like a nice reunion for the three of you.

You say that in the presence of ixtaileddemonfox, and he's liable to throw down on your ass. Better watch your back...

PS2 would be challenging, but at this point in time doable. Another 10 years? I bet it will be pricey.

I really sank my teeth into this episode, good job guys.  And when Bil started talking about 32x again my mouth started to water.....

It was really good to see the three of you back together in all it's glory. 

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Anyhoo I'm all about the subsets, it's basically how I collect.  I have to keep my goals in little bite sized packages to keep things interesting and to keep me going. 

I'll never have a complete NES set, I know that.  I don't make a ton of money and I don't have the space.  But I still actively collect in subsets and before too long I've chipped away an extra 50 games.

At any given time I have about 5 different subsets I'm working on.  I just had one of those "what's next?" moments when I finished my Mega Man/Mega Man X subset.  For a few weeks there I didn't know what to do because since I started one of my biggest goals to get all the MMs. 

Now that it's over I need a new titan to tackle, and I think I'm going the way of Crabby and getting Turbo Grafx stuff.

Oh, and I haven't given up on my 32x set either.  I have about 10 to go and Spider-man is one of them.  Like Bil I want my set to be complete and it's going to get expensive.

@RetroRage - I've typically got several on the go as well. Right now its:

Last 11 NES games
ATLUS published games
TMNT Games
Mega Man Games
TG16 Games
Turbo CD Games
Working Designs Games
Batman Games
CIB Virtual Boy Games
N64 Boxes (not necessarily games right now)
Wii U Games released in 2012

I like having multiples on the go so that a lot of my game pick ups actively help me towards a goal, especially since some of them are going to be a long time off.

If you do decide to jump into TG16/Turbo CD let it be known. I'd love to have another partner in crime on that one.

really like this topic! i've got:

complete CIB NA N64 set
all Legend of Zelda games (at the moment excluding CDI titles but that might change when the rest of the set is complete)
all Call of Duty games (ongoing because they release so often, but i have all but the most recent one and a couple handheld titles. one version of each only, i'm not going out of my way for the crazy big special editions)

once i finish the NA N64 set i'll be going for the japanese, EU, and AUS regional exclusive sets too

I really enjoyed listening to the podcast (first time I've listened to one shortly after it was posted).  I like the idea of collecting via subsets.  It gives you a clear goal to work for and is much more direct than 'collect all games for this console'.  I had the idea about a year ago to collect every Squaresoft game released on the PSX, and although I haven't seriously followed through with that idea, I probably do have most of them by now.  I have also thought about going after all Atlus titles.

As far as collecting the entire set for a console.... that sounds like a daunting task indeed.  That's not something I would really shoot for, but I could easily see myself attempting it if I was suddenly close to a complete set after completing tons of subsets.

You've got a friend in me Crabby. Here are the current sets I am slowly working toward with my main focus on the NES. Current complete collections I am working toward:

NES (7 remaining*)
Vectrex (3*)
SMS CIB (45*)
Colecovision (61*)
Intellivision CIB (54*)
7800 (24*)
5200 (31*)
TG16 - jewel cases, not boxes (76*)  ;)

That's right, the 2600 is not on this list. Why? Because it's basically impossible. This is a great system to collect subsets for and as a result, I only have a few more games on my radar.

I've set out to collect for NES because it's a console that predates me and I feel like it has an important part in video game and pop culture history. My nostalgic gaming memories would be the SNES but the Nintendo Bubble is detracting me from collecting for that system. I love its RPGs and Adventure games so I try to pick those up when I can.

Even though it takes me forever to beat RPGs, especially the Playstation ones I really want to collect those.

My goals are expensive and are going to take a long to accomplish.

You talked about variants too much in the beginning of the podcast. I would like my donation refunded please.

We meant complete in box variants.

I can hear somebody's cat meowing in the background.

I enjoyed the show guys. Didn't even miss the small scores this time! lol. Definitely got me thinking/rethinking my collection goals, and I may end up adding the Taito subset for NES...

That's why I've never even attempted to do anything related to commentary or podcasts. The cats have to be locked out of the room when my wife's doing video conferences, as they'll try to get into whatever she's doing.

Doesnt matter. DEATH TO VARIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Xbox 360 variants???? ;)

Those are even worse to him. Only thing worse, I think, is Sega Genesis variants.

Ok... we meant achievement variants! ;)

Me: STACKABLES!
Tyn: "But they are from other countries!"
Me: False. Batman GOTY
Tyn: "Oh i conveniently forgot about those last time you mentioned stackable variants."

Thats just a best seller variant and I have never had a problem with those or LE/CE type variants.

This was your best show in a very long time guys. Awesome topic, great discussion.

The only subset I ever was seriously going for was Atlus games on PS2 but to hell with that noise thanks to Rule Of Rose.

And I would never go for a complete set on any console because every console has some crap games, and I don't collect crap games.

I understand completely about garbage games. Sometimes you collect for things you enjoy playing, and sometimes to accomplish a goal. It's all about what you want to personally get out of the hobby.

Thanks for the positive feedback.

There were a bunch of points I wanted to jump in on for this podcast when I listened to it a couple days ago. If I could remember them all and managed to put all my thoughts to print it would qualify for the tldr tag....

....actually, this might be too long as it is, and a little somber in parts to boot. I've added some pics to liven things up a bit and break up the wall of text, they're just for fun.




One thing Bil said did manage to stick in my mind though, he was saying something along the lines of how completing a collection or sub-set didn't bring as large amount of satisfaction as one might suspect. That putting the last game of a long sought after set on the shelf wasn't a life changing event....I'm paraphrasing for the sake of discussion here.....I'd like to caution against thinking it would. Without straying too much into a preachy/psychology-y/ethics-101/age-old-wisdom discourse, making a reminder of saying the acquisition of things won't make a person happy.

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While there isn't anything wrong with collecting in itself, thinking it, by itself, will satisfy life's needs isn't a good way to go. Keeping in mind this is all coming from someone who is in their third decade of collecting, has thousands of items spread about the house, goes to several game shows/expos a year, is looking for ways to have more than 20 consoles hooked up at once and has submitted at least a couple scans to this wonderful collecting database. I want to remind us to keep game collecting in it's rightful place in our lives. Like anything, moderation is key. Moderation will be different for each of us of course but we should be mindful of it. And what is it we need to moderate? It's not just things like spending or time commitments but also things like how we value the hobby compared to our friends and families.

I'm sure that most of the people on this site have thought of these things and how collecting games fits into their lives. It doesn't hurt to talk about it though. Nearly everyone who bothers to post about other peoples finds in the forum, or the small scores thread, seems to be honestly congratulatory and happy for others, like we are part of a team having fun finding and displaying stuff. I really hope it isn't ever the other way though, were people are getting jealous or envious or making it out to be a competition for who can get the biggest and best stuff. Does it ever feel like some people are finding lots of cool stuff and getting all this praise which makes other people feel like they need to "compete" so they can get that too? I certainly don't want it to be like that, I like the "yay! we're part of a team!" feeling way more.

Enough of that for one post....







They were talking about people making their own shelves to put games on, I just put up a shelf I made, it has DVD's on it but it might be able to hold games too  ;)

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I'm working on some sets too. My collecting is mostly based on price, I realize just like that guy Crabby was talking about who enjoyed the hunt so much he was willing to sell off parts of his collection just so he could find it again, I have so much fun in the hunt I don't need to spend a lot to make it fun. For a long time I was just adding games as I found them trying to average $1 per item, I still do that of course but have added a few other goals. Because of all the people completing things like NES and SMS collections on this site and realizing it's a competition (are you paying attention?  :P) I wanted to complete one too. Since most Odyssey^2 games are about a dollar and it's a small set, I'm trying to get them all. I'm one away. I have all the first party games if that means anything.

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Other things I'm working on are Vectrex games, maybe SMS games and half halfheartedly TG16 games. I'm thinking about getting the rest of the Nintendo Fun Club News mags and someday the Virtual Boy collection. Of course there is always the NES collection but some of those games are now worth more than a buck a piece so I'm kinda taking a break from that, at least slowing down. I guess none of those are really sub-sets like what was talked about on the show but I'm such a cheap collector, setting out to get anything other than but including what can be found for cheap is tough.




Seems like I have more to say but I know how you internet people are, if it's more than two sentences long I get a thumbs down right? I've been finding youtube comments hilarious lately.....oh yeah, I was signing off.....uh, here's one more pic, one of those ones you like, were you try to recognize the games. How many do you know below Pitfall: The Mayan Adventures?

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I'm sure you'd amass your TG16 games much quicker than me.  If I'm lucky I'll get a new game once a month.  On top of bills and things like that, I just never see any games locally so I have to get all my Turbo stuff on ebay where people are starting to charge an arm and a leg.

So unless you know a guy who happens to own a video game store who could hook me up with affordable games or could give me suggestions on cheapies, I'm out of luck...

I agree 150%...Except definitions of crap may vary.

Crap rules!!


It's all about teamwork. Russlyman has hooked me up with a ton of reasonably priced TG16 games as of recently. I'd be happy to help out.

@nupoile: I think that is a very healthy outlook. I honestly don't look at small scores as competition, and even though it is fun to tease, I have just as much fun helping others find things they need as I do getting another item for my collection.

I'm somewhat in the same boat at that collector Crabby mentioned. I have no problems selling things off to people here, as I figure I'll find it again if I was meant to have it. ;)

Good news guys.  I have checked the interwebs and you are in fact still on podcast pickle.  Thought you'd want to know.

+1 Karma

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Great Topic to talk about as well as for Sets I am currently working on two and have hit a stall in the NES one but Saturn will be easier once I get some more games from our very own Tynstar.

So NES & Sega Saturn are the two I am working on currently - Subset wise I am working on Atlus & NIS America.

@Nick you're getting pretty close to finishing the NES set aren't you?

I collect complete sets for several systems, and yes I agree, there are always "crap" games for EVERY system. However, for retro consoles, which is what I collect for, the nostalgia and the joy of collecting outweighs having these games in my collection. Sure I may not play some of these games much or at all, but even "crap" games have their historical place within the context of that time. I find it sort of fun to put in a bad game I played in my childhood and play it every once in a while just because it's bad, and visitors to my collection get a good chuckle remembering games that they played a long time ago that were awful. I once had a friend over at a party ask me, "Do you have Airwolf (NES)?" Of course I did and that guy sat in my gameroom for 2 hours mid-party playing it. Ha! I say  if you have the room and you enjoying being around the stuff, "crap" game or not, sometimes it's worth owning.

Very well put Banana. I guess for myself, I will always find it hard to complete a library, mainly based on the fact that certain games I have no love for. Regardless of how much the idea of a complete library for any system is very impressive, I can't bring myself to owning ALL the basketball or football games on a console. My collecting has been a very cherry picking style since I started, and for the most part, is a solid library, of really good games (with a few "crap" titiles thrown in) I say definitions of "crap" may vary because while Blades of Steel, Spy Hunter, and Festers Quest may not be the best the NES had to offer, they provide me with nostalgic joy seeing them on my shelf and taking me down memory lane to when they were among the first NES titles I ever received.

At the end of the day, collecting has no rhyme or reason. It's a madness in itself. Some games we collect because it brings us memories of an earlier time, some we collect to be able to play a game we always wanted to try but never did and some we collect just cause we feel they belong in our collections. 

As far as sports games are concerned, you have to remember that with retro systems, sports games were not nearly as abundant as they are now (especially during the PS1/PS2 era). Games weren't released on a yearly basis, like they are now with such franchises like Madden, etc. The NES has many more "crap" platformers than sports games, but even bad platformers often have their merits.

I agree, collecting has no rhyme or reason and is based on many factors: whether people are more gamer/collector/a mix of both, income, space, etc. Though I would like complete sets for a few systems, I have several other systems that I have no interest in collecting all of the games for and only add games that are iconic for that particular system or interest me in terms of gameplay. Collecting games, like collecting other items, is really a to-each-their-own concept.

Also........Nobody puts Blades of Steel in the corner! ;)

What Banana said about a console's place in the history of video game is the exact reason I'm shooting for a complete NES set. If I wanted to collect based nostalgia I'd be looking at the SNES and N64, but their appeal to me isn't as strong as the original Nintendo (the exception being SNES due its great library). The NES also has this mystique that I find so attractive. It's a console that came out roughly four years before I was born so I find it very exciting to see how people played games, what they enjoyed, what was considering great to people before my time.

I'm about 50 or so away from a Licensed NES Set...lots of expensive titles though :(

The Japanese have a word for "crap" games - kusoge. I like it and am happy to have some kusoge in my collection. It provides perspective, and can also illustrate how excellent or poor software can be on the same hardware.

Kusoge is even a genre over there!

Good topic, I guess more like Duke in collecting with no defined goals. Just kind of done when I run out of games that look fun to play.

I guess the only "sub sets" i'm collecting are all of the unlicenced Bible games and all the colored N64 systems / controllers.

Fun show guys.

Glad I'm not the only one. What draws you to the Bible games?

I'm not a religious person or anything but I find them quite amusing. Especially the Noah's Ark game on the original bible adventures, Picking up the animals like Mario 2 and running sooo fast! Just too funny. I just got a few, started collecting a few variants and the carts kept showing up locally, so a collection grew. Only missing two now, Sunday Funday and Noah's Ark 3D.

I hate to admit it.... but I really enjoyed Bible Adventures when I was a kid.  I thought it was a good game.  Then again, I also liked bologna when I was a kid too.