RF Generation Message Board

Welcome to 2014 fellow RF Gentlemen! It is the first anniversary of the RF Generation Community Playthrough so naturally a big thank you to Crabmaster is in order for laying the foundation for such a great community activity.

To pay homage to the Community Playthrough's origin GrayGhost and I thought it would be appropriate to play an action or RPG game this month. Since a Zelda game has not come up yet, and knowing how much this community loves Link, we decided to sail the open seas with the classic GameCube title The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.

Without further ado, let's get to some gaming!

Overview
Legend has it that whenever evil has appeared, a hero named Link as risen to defeat it. That legend continues on the surface of a great and mysterious sea as Link sets of on his most epic and awe-inspiring adventure yet. Aided by a magical conductor's baton called the Wind Waker , he will face unimaginable monsters, explore puzzling dungeons, and meet a cast of unforgettable characters as he searches for his kidnapped sister.

Platforms
Nintendo GameCube
Nintendo Wii U

Checkpoints
Considering Wind Waker's open-world mechanic this month will not feature weekly checkpoints. Instead, participants are asked to check in at least once per week with updates on their progress and game/plot/dungeon discussion. If you want to discuss major events the use of spoiler tags are recommended.

The game has 14 significant locations so completing 4 of them each week will keep on track to finish in the one month time frame.
Walkthrough (http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda09-the-wind-waker-walkthrough.php)

Achievements (Include a pic with your user name)
1. Message in a bottle - Leave a message using the Tingle Bottle (Write a letter and stick it in a bottle)
2. Selfie! - Take a selfie using the Picto Box (Or take a physical picture of yourself with Link on the TV)
3. Hardware upgrade - Acquire the Deluxe Picto Box
4. Eat my aqua dust! - Acquire the Swift Sail
5. You sunk my battleship - Set the high score for the Battleship mini-game on Windfall Island
6. Take a little piece of my heart - Find all heart pieces and containers
7. Not even a scratch - Complete a dungeon without taking any damage (Honour system please)
8. Self improvement - Receive all upgrades from the Great Fairies (8 in total)
9. Big Octo slayer - Defeat all Big Octos (6 in total)
10. Deep sea treasure - Claim the treasure from all submarines (7 in total)
11. Oooohhh... Shiny - Locate all Rings of Light (5 in total)
12. ChuChu slayer - Defeat all Blue ChuChus (19 in total)
13. Green thumb - Water all Withered Deku Trees (8 in total)
14. Tingle immortalized - Collect all Tingle Statues (5 in total)


Analysis
The Philosophy of the Wind Waker (http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/the-philosophy-of-the-wind-waker-part-one/)

Participants
Disposed Hero (Finished 1/25/2014)
EngineerMike (4)
Fleach (Finished 1/19/2014)
GrayGhost81 (Finished 1/19/2014)
MrUnoriginal (5)
Raidou (2, 4, 5, 13, Finished 1/20/2014)

Updates
Jan 5: GameCube players can now attempt the the "Message in a bottle" and "Selfie!" achievements. See Achievements list for more details.

Jan 6: Big thanks for Disposed Hero! More achievements added. They are accessible to either version of the game.

I'm in of course. I'll be playing the original GameCube version. Provided I get through it, this will be the first time I complete a Zelda game. I'm excited for this one.

I would like to play this if I can find a cheap enough copy local.

Count me in!  I bought the Wind Waker Wii U bundle back in September, so it's about time I finally played through this one.

I'm in. I got a Wii U and Wind Waker HD for Christmas so this will be a good excuse to experience this gem again. Easily my favorite 3d Zelda game.

Happy to see lots of excitement in here. This will be my first Zelda game since Oracle of Seasons which I never finished.

The adventure begins tomorrow so don't party too hard tonight.

TOO LATE

If you hadn't already seen my Small Scores post, count me in!

Glad to have you aboard!

Just thought I should say that if anyone's having a really boring New Year's Eve party they can sneak away and start playing in 35 minutes.

If anyone can think of some achievements that would be a huge help.

Just saw this on IGN and thought it might be useful to those playing on WiiU

http://www.ign.com/wikis/the-legend-of-zelda-wind-waker/Swift_Sail

Ah, that'll be helpful.  I think the sailing was my least favorite part of this game back when I played it 10 years ago

Maybe points based on how many hours it takes to complete?



I heard about this and I am looking forward to this improvement on the WiiU version

Collecting all heart pieces/containers should make for a nice achievement.

All those suggestions have been added to the Achievements list. It's got more that can only be done on the Wii U remake, so if anyone has ideas for Game Cube achievements just speak up.

Last night I got up to Dragon Roost Island, but I feel like I missed a bunch of stuff on Windfall, so I'll backtrack after I finish the first dungeon.

You did better than me Fleach! I made it to the forsaken fortress, got caught twice then turned it off for the night. I hope I have the patience after work tonight to get further ahead.

made it to windfall last night. Not leaving without that new sail!

The Swift Sail? As far as I know,

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You can buy it in an auction house at night on Windfall Island after beating the dungeon on Dragon Roost.

Happy sailing!

Made it to Windfall and got a little overwhelmed with the possible side quests and quit for the night. I spent a bit of time with the battleship game and got really lucky with a hi score of 13. Splooosh...

May be a bit late but I'm interested in this playthrough

Never too late to join. I'll add you to the participants list.


That looks like an Achievement to me. Congrats! You probably also won a heart piece, right?

Yeah you get a heart piece and a treasure map. It was one of those times where you say: 'one more try then I give up' and that's where I got the great score.

I just got into the game this evening. We had a snow day here in The Devil's Asshole (Northern New Jersey) so I was able to finish what I was previously playing (Saint's Row IV) and break out the Wavebird (so sweet!) and rock the Wind Waker.

I'm in the Forsaken Fortress right now. I kept getting caught so I took a break but I may go back tonight, if not I plan to put in a lot of time over the weekend. I like the game so far, the mechanics just take a little getting used to, especially for someone who has never played a Zelda game before.

Got through the Forsaken Fortress and hit up Windfall Island. Released Tingle and also got the camera. I played battleship a few times but couldn't win. 

I had a bit of a rough time with the Forsaken Fortress. I don't typically play games like this so I had some trouble and frustration as far as constantly being lost or not knowing what to do next. I took way too long because I was trying not to use a walkthrough. Now, screw it, I'm going to use a walkthrough if I need one. I'd rather lean on one if I need it than get frustrated and abandon the game.

Made it to Dragon Roost last night. Plan on beating the first dungeon then acquiring the swift sail tonight.

Really enjoying this game (although the Forest Temple Forbidden Forest was a pain), and the HD remake is beautiful.  I haven't played the GCN version, so it's all new to me.

Where I'm up to:

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I'm about to requisition some bombs

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You shouldn't need a guide for this game except for maybe the secrets and side quests. Sometimes you also have to talk to people twice to get a side quest from them.

As for the main game talk to everyone, and when you're in a dungeon try to find the map first before traversing too far.

Last night I beat Dragon Roost Cavern and went back to Windfall Island to get the Swift Sail, but the auction house kept putting Joy Pendants up so I gave up and went to the Battleship mini-game guy and won using only 23 cannons twice to get the heart piece and a treasure map.

How is everyone doing? Ghost, are you starting to grasp the game style and mechanics?

In going through the Dragon Roost Cavern certain things started clicking for me. Most importantly, knowing that everything has utility and needs to be used in order to proceed. I got through the dungeon mostly without any assistance. I think the Forsaken Fortress was frustrating me a little because of all the Solid Snaking. Without that, it was easier to figure out each room in Dragon Roost and slowly progress through the dungeon with few major hiccups.

To continue playing A Link Between Worlds... or play Wind Waker....  GAAAAAAAAAAAH  *brain explodes*

Beat Dragon Roost Cavern and went back to Windfall and did a rupee grind. Had to buy the joy pendant, THEN the heart container, THEN I was finally able to acquire the swift sail for 250 rupees!! Let me say, this Sail improves on the previous GC version where you always have to use the Song of Wind to direct you.

It sounds like you were the high roller at the auction house... Just like at Game Quest, eh? ;)

Does anyone know how much does your wallet holds?

Attention GameCube players! There is an update for a couple of the achievements to make them more friendly to your hardware.

I do all right i guess. :)

So I realized I needed to provide proof to collect some points, so:

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Notice the Fast option.

Achievements (Include a pic with your user name)
1. Message in a bottle - Leave a message using the Tingle Bottle (Write a letter and stick it in a bottle)
2. Selfie! - Take a selfie using the Picto Box (Or take a physical picture of yourself with Link on the TV)
3. Hardware upgrade - Acquire the Deluxe Picto Box
4. Eat my aqua dust! - Acquire the Swift Sail
5. You sunk my battleship - Set the high score for the Battleship mini-game on Windfall Island
6. Take a little piece of my heart - Find all heart pieces and containers
7. Not even a scratch - Complete a dungeon without taking any damage (Honour system please)

To answer your question Fleach, you cap out at 500 rupees before you get a bigger wallet.

Picked up Swiift Sail at auction for 260....  after picking up the Master Sword.

@Fleach: the standard wallet holds 500 rupees, upgradable to 1,000.  Not sure if there's a second wallet upgrade available

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Wow, you guys got the Swift Sail at nice prices. I'm jealous. In my game the townsfolk went into an all-out frenzy for it. In the end I won with a bit of 345.

@Raidou, I noticed all your pictures are shades of blue. Do you have the Deluxe Picto Box which takes colour pictures or is it just your camera? Let me know so can I put you down for that achievement.

Sounds like I'm a little bit behind everyone else.  I just made it to Dragon Roost Island, although I spent a lot of time doing all the side quests on Windfall Island.  Yeah, I'm a completionist when it comes to these types of games, for better or worse.

I just looked at the achievements list and noticed that I already completed a couple of them.  I'll have to snap some pics when I get home today.

@Fleach:  I actually have the strategy guide for this game, and in the back there's a 'checklist' section that details all of the collectibles and minigames.  If you're still looking for achievements for the playthrough, I can flip through it when I get home today and let you know of anything that might work.

That would be awesome! Thanks!

@Fleach: don't have the deluxe model yet- that's just my camera.

Im already half why through the Wii U version so I would have to finish and start over :)

Nah, just keep going and don't spoil any surprises for the rest of us.

EDIT

This afternoon I got the Deku Leaf and got to the entrance of the second dungeon. I'm really enjoying this game so far and it feels great to be playing a Zelda game. I think the way the game teaches the player about the mechanics and how to use items is excellent. Never once have I felt like I've been explicitly told how to do something. The game uses the setting and previous knowledge to have the player discover how things work, and that feeling is great!

I played Ocarina and Majora's Mask when they came out but I must have been too young or didn't have that puzzle oriented mind required to beat these kinds of games. Have you guys been long-tim Zelda fans? Have you played a good chunk of the franchise?

I just finished the Dragon Roost Cavern and am now back on Windfall Island doing what sidequests I can before moving on.  I just won the Swift Sail for 225 rupees.  In fact, I think I have the first 5 achievements wrapped up, I just keep forgetting to take pics and post them  :embarrassed:


I was probably too young to figure out Ocarina of Time on my own back when I played it (I was about 10 or so), but fortunately I had a strategy guide for it.  But yeah, definitely a long time Zelda fan here.  I bought (or more likely my parents bought) A Link to the Past when it came out when I was only 5 or 6 years old.  I also played the hell out of Link's Awakening as a kid. 

I never did best this. Got it at launch with the strategy guide too. I got pretty far stopped playing and I have no idea where to go now.

Just finished the Forbidden Woods. I'm honestly not exactly having the time of my life with this game so if I do finish it, it's going to be a race to the credits.

Unfortunately that's how most Zelda games are. If you walk away from them for too long you forget what your objective was.


I'm sorry to hear that. What's taking away from the experience of the game? I haven't played a Zelda game in almost ten years so it feels awesome to playing a remake of a classic franchise installment.

I found the Forest Haven/Forbidden Woods particularly annoying, but so far that has been the lowest point in the game.  Don't get discouraged!

@Fleach:  Played most of the console Zeldas, although I've only finished LttP and OoT.

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I am currently up to the Wind Temple, searching for a certain someone.

Achievements:

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Swift Sail Acquired	Battlesquid - score of 14 (not as good as MrUnoriginal but I'm still proud)	Withered Deku Sidequest Complete

Yeah I'm just being a crank about it. Environmental puzzles are maybe my least favorite thing in 3-D games most of time. Although I'm getting better at figuring out what to do about half of the time, I still get stumped a ton and have look at faqs. I'm an idiot that way. I like to play games that just flow with few or no speedbumps. This game is all speedbumps. It's just my preference. I had the same experience with Beyond Good & Evil and people worship that freakin' game.

I'm certainly going to stick with it for now, don't worry.

if you get through all of windwaker maybe your 3D puzzle skills will improve and other games like it won't be so difficult :P it's all about practice, no one instinctively knows how to be good at these. as a kid i could never figure out how to get past the Great Deku Tree dungeon in Ocarina of Time and that's the simplest one, but when i went back to it years later i breezed through the whole game (except the water temple, f*** that)

I agree with all that. Plus sometimes you have to think vertically because some levels have areas or items on the same floor but at different heights.

Oh and my time spent with the Water Temple went like this:

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Then I rage quite the game.

Going to be taking a brief hiatus for a few days. Im on night shift for the next four days and life (gaming included) all but shuts down for me.

I really liked the Water Temple in OoT, as it was a good three dimensional logic puzzle.  Admittedly I liked it a lot less on subsequent playthroughs as the pace slows down...

Just made it to the Tower of the Gods. After all the legwork you have to do before you get there, I don't feel like starting a new dungeon right now so I'll pick it back up tomorrow.

Usually when a good game gets blasted for the one or two things that aren't so great it really peeves me out, but the sailing in this game, as everyone and his mother has already told us, is tedious and boring. It's not that I'm mad about it, but you know it's not a great part of the game when you can set your direction, whip out the sail, and go check your email or use the restroom or something. 

How'd you know that's what I do while sailing in this game?

Alright, banged through The Tower of the Gods and the thing that comes after (which I won't spoil). Not looking forward to going back to the Forsaken Fortress but I did spend way too much time there the first time so I'll know the layout pretty well I think.

I'm curious, are you guys taking each dungeon all at once or saving and coming back, in which case you have to backtrack all the way through each time? So far I've been going all the way through each one, and I've been fortunate enough to beat each boss on the first try (though it got a little hairy on the last one), so I haven't had to go back through any dungeons, which I think would really be a bummer.

I tend to do things in one playthrough (I've burnt through my Game Pad's battery numerous times playing this game), although it sounds like the HD remake is more forgiving than the version you're playing.  Firstly, you don't have to quit to save in the Wii U version, and secondly there are teleportation cauldrons.

That bit after the Tower of the Gods was fantastic, and I didn't see it coming.  I especially liked...

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 ...the depiction of the Seven Sages, cementing the OoT storyline into the mythos.

Currently at:

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Ganon's Tower.  I think I got a little carried away.

To clarify, you don't have to quit when you save and yes there are the warp bowls but still I'm such a spoiled modern gamer that to do anything more than once (or more than absolutely necessary let's say) is a pain to me.

Just finished Forsaken Fortress II. Short and sweet and the boss is pretty easy. The revelatory plot exposition that happens there is awesome.

I beat the phoenix thing at the Forsaken Fortress last night as well. It was a fun area.

I saw the big reveal coming, because...

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I noticed Zelda had been missing from the game up to that point and Tetra was the only female to have an interest in Link and his journey.

This part of the game reminds why I have a love-hate relationship with the Zelda series. You do a lot of work to get to a major plot event then someone says, "hold on, not so fast. You have go get more stuff to be able to face the final boss."

Earlier today I was watching the Giant Bomb quick look for Wind Waker HD because I was curious how it looked compared to the GameCube version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA6mmdkBhmE

In the video Brad Shoemaker mentions a thread on NeoGaf which compiles all the differences in the two versions of the game. I found it interesting and thought you guys might as well.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=689649

Is anyone besides me playing the GameCube version?

I watched a speed run of this game last night as a part of the Awesome Games Done Quick 2014 fundraiser. It was a lot of fun to watch, but not sure if it would be a game for me to go through. Hope you guys are having a blast with it.

Yesterday I got a little stumped on what to do but it seems that getting the Ballad of Gales from Cyclos is actually imperative to proceeding the story. Is this as much of a pain in the ass as it seems? I encountered Cyclos once and he chucked my sorry behind all the way to Windfall Island and I haven't seen him since.

The bright side is that I put my rush job on the game on the side last night and just sailed around picking up treasure and such. Ended up finding the 1000 rupee capacity wallet and finally winning the battleship game, completing a heart container I was working on.

So I guess I have find Cyclos now. For those who have already done this (Raidou?), any tips?

Isn't Cyclos found by sailing into one of the large tornadoes?

Have many of you been doing the side quests in this game? I've spent a fair bit of time sailing around looking for hidden treasure using the treasure charts and finding fairy caves.

I've probably been spending a little too much time doing side quests.  As far as the story goes, I've only just completed the Forbidden Woods (second dungeon).  Since the game world really opens up to you after that, I've just been sailing around collecting heart pieces and whatever other goodies I can find.

@Grayghost81: Cyclos appears near the smaller cyclones, beyond that I don't know if there's a pattern to which cyclones he shows up at.

@Fleach:  I have been doing side quests, but not as many as I thought as I only have 16 hearts and 28 treasure maps.  The pictobox quests have stumped me for most of the game

I just scored the Power Bracelets.

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(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4195096320/hE95207AE)

Also upgraded my quiver, got the fire and ice arrows, and got the Windfall lighthouse.

Tomorrow I'll pick up Medli and take her on a romantic picnic in the Earth Temple.

Well, I fired up the game tonight thinking I'd be happy if I even found Cyclos, let alone was able to take him down easily. I've seen videos and read on forums of people wasting tons of arrows on him. Well, not only did I find him rather quickly (after finding a silver rupee in the ocean and getting a heart piece from the cannon game) but I took him down with under seven arrows.

After grabbing the power bracelets I also ran over and got the 5000 capacity rupee wallet!

I also did the things that will allow me to get into the Earth Temple, which I won't spoil, but I'm definitely back on the horse as far as pushing through the main quest line again.

@Fleach what's the Windfall Lighthouse and what do you get for doing it?

Alright, I think I've done enough sidequesting for now.  I'm finally getting back on track and continuing the story.  Just landed on Greatfish Isle and was told I needed to return to Windfall Island.

Gah, I'm so far behind the rest of you guys....

Kicked the Earth Temple in its stupid face last night. Not my favorite dungeon but it was nice having a companion. Plus the boss was easy like Sunday morning.

Don't worry, you've got plenty of time. I think many of us are putting lots of time into this because Zelda games have a way of captivating the player into doing as much as possible during each sitting with the game.


The Earth Temple is my favourite temple so far. Really liked the design and feel.

Got through the Wind Temple last night, but couldn't beat the boss. Kudos for one of the ugliest monsters I've ever seen in a game, but having to use the hookshot against enemies is cruel. I'll have to try again tonight. I'd like to finish the game by this weekend.

Ghost, you know you can can target enemies, I think it'll automatically go for their weak spots, and you won'll stay in third person view instead first person. Just a little tip to help you with the sand warm of grossness.

Yes, I know. I might have been doing something wrong because I had problems both staying locked on and actually connecting. I did it once or twice successfully, but I had already spent like 2.5 hours getting through the dungeon and just had to put it down for the night. I'm looking forward to taking him out tonight and proceeding into the final dungeon.

So far behind and busy with other things...Can't find the time for this game. Glad I already beat it years ago. Maybe I will have time for February's playthrough.

But you can't leave a Zelda game half-beaten.

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a half-beaten zelda game is a half finished love affair

I made a lot of progress last night.  Completed the Tower of the Gods and obtained the Master Sword.  After all of the running around the game makes you do up to that point, it was nice to be in a proper dungeon again.

You're so right. The Temple of the Gods is a fun one too.

Don't want to burst your bubble but the running... sailing around will be back once you finish the Earth and Wind Temples.

Yes, I beat that worm boss last night (very easily I might add. I think I was burned out after doing the whole dungeon and I was panicking and getting too close. A very beautiful and peaceful experience when you do it right).

So now there's the runaround of all runarounds. Not to spoil anything but make sure you have 20 Joy Pendants between the Wind Temple and collecting TriForce charts. Many of you doing side stuff will have plenty or probably have already done the thing I'm talking about, but I had to farm for them, which was a minor ass-ache.

Hoping to finish the game this weekend!

Not surprising.  I'm assuming the triforce thing is what you're referring to?  A friend of mine recently completed this game, and he asked me if I had done the triforce hunt, and his tone implied that it was chore.  I've read that two dungeons were scrapped from the game due to time constraints, and the triforce quest was added to lengthen the game.

I feel like the game world itself is a bit underdeveloped.  It's really just a blank ocean with many very small islands scattered throughout.  I'm surprised that there aren't any large landmasses in the game.  There are a couple of places like Windfall and Dragon Roost that are a little bigger than the average island, but I would've hoped for one or two islands that span at least a couple of sectors on the map.

That's exactly what I was referring to. And it is a big time chore.

I can't disagree with you opinion about the game being underdeveloped. Much of the game involves sailing to islands you won't return for a long time, if not at all. The dungeons are fun, but the overworld can be a deal breaker. Fortunately the HD remaster has the swift sail which I use all the time.

Is it just me or does this game seem shorter than other Zelda games? Or maybe it's more straightforward.

Yeah, I can't imagine playing through this entire game with the regular sail, constantly having to shift the wind just to change direction.  I guess that explains why I never finished the game when I played it a decade ago.  While I am enjoying my current playthrough, Wind Waker will most definitely not be remembered as my favorite Zelda game.

I can't really comment on whether it seems shorter than other Zelda games or not since I haven't beaten it.  From what I understand, there are fewer dungeons in Wind Waker than most other Zelda games, so maybe that's why it feels short.  I remember spending a ton of time playing Twilight Princess when it first came out and loved every minute of it, but I don't remember how long it actually took me to finish it, or any of the other games for that matter.

Haven't played much this week because of a heat wave.

So far...

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Beaten Phantom Ganondorf, and am up to the main event (I assume), so pottering around trying to get extras.

I would have to agree that this game feels much shorter than Ocarina of Time- there, getting the Master Sword there was less than half way.  I pretty much plowed through the story thinking it would take longer.

Wow, collecting the triforce charts is f*cking chore. I'm back to hating this game now. ;)

Welcome to Zelda games!

LOL I guess so! This is the ultimate in stop and go entertainment. It's only bad because I want to finish it soon. This is not the kind of game you just want to push through, like I'm doing. The next time I play a Zelda game I'll be sure to have a clean schedule with nothing else in the immediate backlog.

You're 100% right. It's easy to lose interest in these games when you know you have something else on the horizon or in the backlog.

At least you're not too far from the end and you have two weeks to go. You'll be fine.

i'm surprised grayghost's main complaints seem to be about the length of the game and the grinding aspects, with the amount of RPGs you love wouldn't you be used to grinding for things already? there's a lot of tedious things in RPGs

I don't think Ghost is complaining about grinding or game length. Zelda games have a nasty way of taunting players. You do a bunch of quests and dungeons, think you're going to face the big baddie, but nope, the games say, "Oh yeah, before you fight Mr. Evil Guy you have to run around and get more stuff."

The games constantly pull the finish line further and further away from you. :(

Excellent point and I'm glad you brought it up.

Indeed I love my RPGs, JRPGs specifically (you must've been listening to the collectorcast ;)) but in RPGs grinding is grinding and you get exp and level up your character. In this game, what I'm not thrilled about is all the busywork. I need to task A, but in order to do A I must do B. In order to do B I have to do C and so on.

This wouldn't be quite as bad if it wasn't all sandwiched right in between the second to last and last dungeons. If what Disposed said about them padding the game out with this stuff is true, that's a real drag to me. The game really stomps on the gas right around your second trip the Forsaken Fortress, and then to put all this running around in before you can finish the game is not grinding, it's work.

I hope I'm not being too hyperbolic here, I am enjoying the game. It is really out of my comfort zone and I'm very happy, after over 25 years of gaming, to finally be on the verge of completing my first Zelda game. But when I had to control a seagull and hit those switches I had flashbacks of trying to control the radio controlled airplane in Grand Theft Auto 3. *shudder*

Again, sorry to be so bitchy about the game. I like it, really. The pacing just sucks.


Hit the nail right on the head Fleach.

You're so right about this game stepping on the gas after you return to the Forsaken Fortress. You get so pumped because you witness a big reveal, get an iconic weapon, fought some very fun battles. But it's all for nothing because game says "Congratulations for reinvigorating the Master Sword! Your reward... Go rebuild the Triforce!"

And then you just have this look on your face:
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Two words:

SOUP GLITCH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urOq9XSpk3A

Possibly only available in the GameCube version. I got the last TriForce chart this morning, on Outset. Took forever but it would have a lot worse without this exploit. Yes, it's cheating. So sue me.

Just finished the game. Although everything after the Wind Temple was a complete waste of my time, I'm really glad I played it. My first Zelda game. Wow. It was a lot more fun playing with you guys and being able to come on RFGen and bitch and wine about everything I didn't like about the game.

In due time, I'll look back on this game fondly, I know it. It was just too charming, colorful, heartwarming and fun to be written off for bad pacing.

Fleach, excellent choice. I hope everyone enjoys the rest of the game.

I beat the game this evening and must say that the ending made the whole thing worth it. Sure the game really ground down to sail's pace once you had to collect the Triforce pieces, but really that's a short segment of the game.

The final "temple", Ganon's maze and the final fight were loads of fun. Although I hated Snake Ganon... He got so many cheap hits on me by pinning me on a wall, but in the end I won with 3/4 of a heart left. Phew!

I too used a glitch ;) But the one I used was less special than Ghost's. I used the Skull Hammer through walls in the Private Oasis maze.

Oh... to anyone who watched GrayGhost's video. Why does this person have a deep manly voice and painted finger nails? Ewww....

Beat Puppet Ganon's 3 forms last night. Stuck in Zelda's bed chamber. Not as fun as it sounds.

UPDATE: So I had to climb the red rope.  This is the first thing I tried after beating Ugly-Puppet-Snake-Ganon, but I didn't realise that you had to hold ZR to keep the rope still.  This is the first time I have had to climb a rope¹ for the whole game.

¹Although, on reflection it would explain why the first room of Ganon's Tower was so tough.

Agree with the ZR climbing bit. You're taught the mechanic, but I don't remember using it until the final boss battle.

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I'm bummed that you get the light arrows so darn late in the game.

His nails are painted to make them easier to see during his speed runs. Check out some of his other videos, or this profile of him on polygon:

http://www.polygon.com/features/2014/1/9/5280786/making-money-zelda-speed-runner


I actually lucked out with snake Ganon. Kept my distance and patiently shot the orb from a distance. It was very satisfying each time I connected. I didn't have to stun him once!

I made a lot of progress over the weekend.  I'm currently inside the Wind Temple, so I guess after that will be the dreaded Triforce hunt.  Fortunately, through my excessive sidequesting, I've already found all three Triforce charts and a couple of the shards, so I'll have a headstart when I actually start hunting for them.

Did anybody else feel like the Wind Temple was a drag?  I'm only a few rooms into it, so I haven't come close to completing it yet, but I haven't been enjoying this one so far.  Surprising since I enjoyed the Earth temple quite a bit.  I don't know, maybe I just wasn't in a 'Zelda' frame of mind last night when I was trying to play it....

DONE!!!

The final Ganon fight was satisfying, if a little frustrating....

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So you're telling me... [img width=384 height=512]http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r534/Blood-Spattered_Angel/skepticallink.jpg?t=1390273118[/img] ..You covet the wind?

His behavour throughout this fight was really good, from the way he came at you without warning when the fight started, to sucker punching you if you just sat there and blocked, to identifying Zelda as a priority threat and taking her out. The final phase (aka. awesome finisher) was a pain because the final trigger wouldn't appear. I used four faeries across 2 attempts on this last hit (last time I used a faerie was in either Tower of the Gods or Forest Haven). The ending was awesome- not only because of the finishing move against Ganondorf, but the music being played during the King's speech (a sombre rendition of the Hyrule Castle theme from LttP, called "Farewell Hyrule King") gave me just as much satisfaction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P2HNic7JjI PS.  Ganondorf is a cool villain in this game, the stylised model managing to provide different levels of malevolence and character, but I would say that "Puppet Gannon" did not look very good in this style.

Nice job, Raidou! I reading about enjoyed your take on the final moments of the game. The last battle with Ganondorf and Ganon were very climactic and tense. Unlike all previous bosses, you definitely had to have a strategy in order to win.

And that final monologue from the king!

Happy you liked the game!

I just finished the Wind Temple last night.  Yeah, this was probably my least favorite dungeon in the game.  I thought the boss fight was pretty disappointing too.  Giant worm creature and all you do is swat at the dingly-dang hanging out of his mouth?  I feel like there was supposed to be more to this boss fight but it may have been cut short due to lack of time.  I'm also pretty sure that the fire and ice mountains in the game were originally planned to be full fledged dungeons but were cut out because of time constraints.

Anywho, I've got five more Triforce shards to track down, and I'll probably track down the rest of the heart pieces and other extra goodies before taking on the endgame.  I see a few of you have already beaten the game, so looks like I'm playing catch up.  I'm sure I'll have this game beat sometime this weekend, if not earlier.

Yes. Hookshot it to bring it closer to you, then slash like crazy.


How many hearts do you have? If you've got around 14 you'll be fine. Just have a bottled fairy or two going into the final fight. Good luck! Not that you'll need it. The end game isn't super hard.

Yeah, I've got 18 out of 20 heart containers already, I'm just a completionist.  :)

I'm sorry to hear that.



Just kidding. It's cool. Have fun with the rest of the game. :)

Hehe, it can be a bit of a curse sometimes.  But when it comes to adventure/RPG games, I like exploring everything and getting the most out of the game.

Back to Wind Waker.  I glued the Triforce back together and am just finishing up the last bit of extras that I'm going to bother with.  I feel I should point out that either my strategy guide was mistaken or I read it wrong regarding the Blue ChuChus achievement, because there are definitely more than 19 of them.  I just checked a Zelda Wiki and apparently there are 23 in total.

I finished Wind Waker over the weekend.  This game was never my favorite in the series, and the Wii U version didn't change my mind about that, but it's still a solid title.  I had wanted to play this since I got my Wii U, so now I can finally cross it off my list  :)

Congratulations on beating the game! Don't worry about it not being your favourite because soon we'll be revisiting the critically acclaimed, fan adored......

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Link: The Faces of Evil for the Philips CD-i!

Oh no, Link: The Faces of Evil

*shudders*

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You know I'd still totally be up for it  :)

Can't be worse than Skyward Sword

My vote is Gamelon.

This isn't related to Wind Waker, but it's a good read.

http://legendsoflocalization.com/qa-does-ocarina-of-time-have-farting-cabbages/

that's hilarious, i wonder how many other translations have hidden jokes like that

Sign me up. I might pick up the wiiu version today. If not I have the gamecube one.


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Better late than never, I suppose.  :P

ummmmm...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

EDIT: LOCKED! Go play 50 Cent and Kid Icarus. Nothing to see here!