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The episode is live via the normal places. The YouTube version is still processing... so patience.

Sky rockets in flight whooo afternoon delight!

16.5, eh?

You guys now doing hour-long videocasts between your usual presentations now, or what?

No video in this one, just not a "standard" show.

is this the spoilercast?

Hey, ixnay!

I'm sure the front page will be updated soon, but yes, this is our BioShock Infinite spoiler cast.

I've gone beyond the point of no return. Never played the series before but it seems I might have to (and pop some Dramamine).

As Bil mentioned about running to discuss the story with his wife, I've had those moments too with games and I think discussing the story helps you make sense of what happened and what you experienced. It allowed me to bring all the pieces together into some coherent.

I echo Crabby's comment regarding POV. In the first person I automatically feel like that's supposed to be me. In the third person I see the character so I think, "OK the story is about this guy and I can respond to the world in the context of this guy."

Duke even said "they're rowing you" so it's assumed that you are the character (having Booker see his reflection in the water doesn't break immersion for me) so the game should allow you to react to things the way you would. Not incorporating that is a pitfall in my opinion. In the third person it's easier to put yourself in the character's shoes. So it's more possible to act as you're expected to. (Why I had no problem shooting the doctors in the hospital in The Last of Us.)

I have a feeling that this game and The Last of Us and going to be compared and contrasted quite a bit here especially considering that they both strived for immersion into a world that is its own character using different techniques.

There ya go.
Duke, thought you had permissions to publish to the front page?

I have noticed that killed enemies do disappear quite quickly and are replaced by lock boxes on the pc version the same as on PS3 as Crabby reported.

You doubted me? :(

I would never.

I have to submit things for approval.

I listened to it today.

It was mostly confusing as I haven't played Bioshock Infinite.



A while back they talked about this game, I particularly remember the disscusion on the music, on Wired's Gamelife podcast. It was one of these two episodes I think (both have Bioshock talk):

http://downloads.wired.com/podcasts/assets/gamelifeaudio/gamelifereboot_065.mp3

http://downloads.wired.com/podcasts/assets/gamelifeaudio/gamelifereboot_066.mp3

I bet you guys would enjoy listening to them, although, that was all the way back in March and April and a couple hundred podcast's ago for me, my memory is a little fuzzy on them, so I'm making no promises on how much you'd like them  ;)



And Bil, don't be so shy man. If you have something to say, speak up. I know Crabmaster hardly lets you get a word in but maybe if you talk to him off air....

I finished the Spoilercast last night and must say that I really enjoyed it. Sounds like a really deep game if you tune into the subtleties.

Duke mentioned the Songbird theory, and I want to know his take on the matter. I watched the video he alluded to so, Duke, do you think that if you can hear Songbird's screech in BioShock and Infinite that these two games happening alongside one another? Are they two parallel timelines (sort of like what Lost did with the flash forwards?). I know there was a lot of time between the development of the two games, so it could be a serendipitous coincidence but do you think the theory is possible?

I think that Bil probably had it right. Levine probably looked back at the first game for an opportunity to tie them together.

I do think that the stories of Rapture and Columbia are tied very closely to one another. How tight? I think the upcoming DLC will let us know.

LOO-TEESES

LOO-TESS
http://youtu.be/nQ8TlIAUSWk

Thank you.

I've been too lazy to play any of the bioshock games but this one sounded quite a bit more interesting than the first two from the podcast. I'll have to grab it on a Steam sale.

I've known about these games for quite some time, but have been avoided them because I get disoriented from FPS's. It's been a battle within to play this game while feeling apprehensive because I love theme of the game as it's loosely based on one of my favourite books. This episode was the tipping point for me, and so far I'm glad to be playing.

Glad to see you dove in Fleach, good luck!

Thanks man! My technique is so sloppy so I'll need as much luck as I can get. I'll be in touch with you with my thoughts, questions, comments. You can drop me a line on Skype too with you like.

I'm a little behind on the casts.

I have not played the game yet but still listening :P

It is interesting to hear you guys both praise and pick apart the game at the same time. Listening to this makes me want to play the series more than the short blips of people saying "Oh i loved this series" "Oh this is my game of the year" "Oh the story is so good"