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Episode 15 is live!

I'm giddy with excitement.

I think it might be time bust out another fanfic.

Don't get too excited. The guys trusted me to do the sound editing this time around so you might just vomit out your ears. Please still continue to direct all the hate mail towards Duke.Togo though, I think he likes it ;)

The feedback I have received is that I am the jerk of the show, so bring it on.  :evilhappy:

That's just from me and Bil though, right?

Are you responsible for the epic intro music?

Depends if you like it or not ;)

I'm waiting to approve the front page article until the front page dies down a little bit. We had 4 articles come up in the past day. :P

I got that good feeling when you guys started reading my small scores for the month, but was quickly disappointed when it was the same scores you read from last month.

Someone is slippin.....who do i blame?  Captain spelling bee?

by the way bil, what were you eating during the show?  I'm going to guess it was a peanut butter banana and pickle sandwich

about 30 minutes in, sounds good so far! crabby did a good job with the editing so far, i haven't noticed any bad cuts or anything like that. only thing is duke's recording quality seems lower than normal, not sure who's fault that was :P. it's not that bad, i can understand him perfectly fine, it just sounds like a lower bitrate than usual.

I just though he was trying to sound pretentious and overly important.  ;)

maybe that too, but there was definitely some lip smackin going on.  I could almost feel the Jif  splattering on my earbuds

I'm going to kick off some main topic discussion.

I think what divides gamers and collectors is the research that we do about games, developers, genres, etc. The hunt. The thrill. The letdown of being outbid. We also like the physical thing. We need the carts or discs, boxes and manuals.

Duke hit the nail on the head with his comment about collecting being a kind of "metagame." I have some games are mediocre, but I love them because I remember the garage sale or pawn shop where I found them while booting up the games.

Gave me the short shrift in the Small Scores section, eh?

Just like my love life...

When the concept of nostalgia came up in the episode I was reminded of this article from Euro Gamer.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-12-crippled-by-nostalgia-the-fraud-of-retro-gaming

I noticed an audio editing glitch around 1:45:00. It seems to go back 15 or so minutes in time.

I blame Duke for trusting me with editing.

That wasn't a glitch. It's just that they like talking about retro games so much, it created a temporal vortex that sent them back fifteen minutes so they could talk about retro games all over again. Simply put, they've built a flux capacitor right into the podcast, with the required 1.21 gigawatts generated by all the hot air from their conversation. At least they're using green energy...

Anyhoo: while I appreciate Bil's sentiment after the 1 hour 21 minute mark about me hosting the "Secret Santa" next Christmas, I'd much rather do my own thing. And my own thing takes up enough of my time and effort; I'm not too keen on adding to an already unwieldy Yuletide workload. In fact, one of the RFG powers-that-be gave me the award of "Not-so-Secret Santa," which is what the holiday give-away will be called from here on in. And I already have a few things set aside...

And in case anybody cares, you can find a little more info on the "resting place of the Triforce" discussed at around the 1 hour 51 minute mark by clicking the link (heh) below, and scrolling down to "The English Camp Trail" paragraph:

http://www.newalmaden.org/AQSPark/englishtown.html#EnglishCamp

Note to Duke.Togo: if I find another CIB KotOR II in great condition, I'll letcha know, and maybe we can talk turkey. I take it you're looking for the original release, rather than Platinum Hits? Also, are you still looking for the original release of Luigi's Mansion for GameCube?

Finally: I think the title for the next CollectorCast should be "A Molopoly of Aquadrons."

Pretty catchy, yes-no?  ;)

If the price is right, I'm interested in KotOR II, and yes, original. Luigi? Eh, I'm still not convinced. It would have to be cheap.

I was late one night and Duke andCrabby were waiting for me so I had to eat on the fly.  I don't remember what I was eating. I just remember trying not to sound like I was eating.  I did a bad job.

I'm pretty sure it was Soylent Green.

LMAO

Well, I'm pretty sure it was your mom.

That's right, I took it there. You gonna cry over it, ya jackwagon?

How does she taste? Does it vary from person to person?

Whattaya askin' ME for?

Bil's the one who's into erot-- er, I mean, exotic cuisine...

Yes. Yes it does.

Yes i just went there.

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Funny.....up until now I didn't realize those stories were "fiction".......hmmmmm




Lets go back in time and take this is a completely different direction than the last few posts took it.

I bet Bil has this movie for sale on Lazerdisc.




And to clarify something Bil wondered about in the podcast but has probably forgot about and will make no sense because I'm not going to say what it was he was wondering about......it is the red one Bil.

Reggie Jackson ;)

i just passed 1:45:00 and didn't notice anything, i'm pretty sure it didn't go back for me.

edit: i need to try that star wars racer easter egg, loved that game as a kid but i never knew that.

Go on...

Definitely give it a try. Its A LOT of fun

tried it after listening last night, that was awesome. i completely sucked at it, but it made it feel like an entirely different game in a good way.

OK, I want to get more feedback on the actual show topic since this thread has gone in some really weird directions.

What do the rest of you think of the gamer vs. collector mentality?

As a kid, I was only a gamer.  Luckily, my parents saved my game boxes, but otherwise all I cared about was playing games.  In my 20's, I have realized that I am more of a collector.  I don't play video games as much as I used to, but I try to avoid buying games that I won't play.  There are times I enjoy the hunt, cleaning games, and organizing them more than I enjoy playing sometimes.

I understand completely. I think we talked a bit about that in earlier episodes. I am bummed I haven't had time to hit any yard sales yet this year.

I was listening to some podcast this week (of course) a guy was talking about the home audio scene. He talked about going to audio equipment shows, meeting with people who shared the hobby and of course listening to music. If that doesn't sound similar enough to what game collectors do, he also talked about how one of his favorite things was to go to thrift stores and yard sales hunting for albums.

One of the great things about collecting games is you get to enjoy them in more than one way. There is the collecting side and the playing side. There are other hobbies like this too, music (records, cd's etc.), books, dogs, Ferrari's......

Once I saw a interview with a person who had the largest collection of "Precious Moments" figurines in the world. That person was part of a hobby which doesn't really have the "I get to play with it too" side of things. Porcelain figures don't stand up to much activity. It's not that there is anything wrong with enjoying something for purely the collecting aspect, I just want to point out collecting and "playing with" are two different things.

Maybe its not so much a "slider" between being a gamer and a collector. Maybe each is its own scale, you rate from 1 to 10 as a collector and, separately, 1 to 10 as a gamer. Myself, I would still be a gamer somewhat even if you took away all my collection and only left me with digital only games.




My Ferrari collection    ;)
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Sometimes I take pictures and realize that corner of the house needs dusting....

I think you may be onto something with your idea that each different mentality has its own slider. Very excellent point.

Listening right now, in the small score's segment. Sounds good.

I'm pretty sure I had a bunch of small scores attributed to me that weren't mine, I didn't score any soccer games or Halo 3 lately. Actually I'm pretty sure everything between Last Remnant/Killer7 and Pikmin/Phantasy Star weren't mine.

It was nice to think you were talking about me for like a half hour though :)

Also, I haven't tried Last Remnant. I hope I like it more than Bil did. Don't worry I'll bitch about it in the gaming diary thread anyway.

Good show gentlemen. Can't wait to get to the main topic.

Finished up the podcast today and enjoyed it.  Nice work guys!  I just wanted to point out that my Volley pinball is actually from 1976 (a later EM) and is in fact a wedgehead.  Duke, I use to be soured on Gottlieb, but they really made the best EMs out there. Solid states.....well.....not so much. Indeed, Bally is the king of the late 70s and early 80s.

Back on topic: It's funny, but I think we all start out as gamers and the collector phase begins to take over (but not necessarily start) as we get older. I was in my local game store today and a guy, probably late teenager/early 20's brought a PS2 title up to the counter.  I was up there talking to the owner and he asked the kid if he'd ever played this somewhat odd title before. He responded, "Yeah, I remember playing this when I was about 8 years old and liking it." I think somewhere around this time, i.e. joining the working force, you start to feel as if you're losing a part of yourself and need something to take you back to those carefree moments if it's just for a few hours. Also, unless you had unlimited video game purchasing funds as a child or invented the Post-it note, which I imagine 99% of us fall into the other category, having some disposable income is a direct result of joining the work force; it allows us more means to purchase new games, find those titles we use to play when we were younger, or snag those we always wanted, but couldn't afford at the time. At some point during this transition stage in our lives, I think that most of us can probably pinpoint the exact or close to exact point we transitioned into collectors.  And for some of us, I think the collecting has even taken over the playing.  I for one, would say that earlier in life I was primarily a gamer, even 100% so, up until my teenage years. As I got older, and started college, I started holding onto favorite titles and systems and the ratio shifted. When I finished grad school, I realized I wanted all of those games back and slapped my forehead when I wasn't able to locate them at my parent's house. The tables further turned and now, due to lack of time and responsibility, I'm probably 90% collector/10% gamer. Sometimes thinking about that makes me sad, because gaming is what I truly love to do, but another part of me feels a lot of joy in just having these things around me, and also being able to share them with my kids and friends who come over.

Couldn't echo both sentiments better myself.

Well said, banana. It's the tangible reminders of younger and carefree days that drives a lot of us.

Yeah, I think that's a big part of it for sure, but I disagree when people simply chalk things up to nostalgia. I'm not accusing you of doing this Duke, I just think others tend to simplify it and write it off by putting it in that box sometimes.  Sure, that is a part of it, but I think as we change socially, economically, mentally, physically, and as our time has to be more parsed out to other responsibilities with age, our gaming/collection habits also change.

It would be interesting to do a study and look at why we game. I'm sure these have been done before, but probably not as much from a gamer's perspective.

Its all about the dopamine ;)

nostalgia is a part of it, but i agree it's definitely not all of it. what nostalgia made me buy Sega Saturn, a system i never even knew existed when i was a kid?

techwizard, it's like eating Pringles chips. Once you pop you can't stop.

I think collectors have a more curious mentality than average gamers. We'll learn about a console (ie Sega Saturn in your case) and because we know about the reputation and library of other consoles by that developer we're naturally interested to find out what this system has to offer. You find one good game, then two, then ten. Then you become a collector.

I agree.  I never owned a Sega system and had only played a Genesis a handful of times until about 10 years ago. On one hand, that's pretty sad as I have always been into gaming, but on the other hand, it's great having a new libraries of games to discover.

Curiosity is expensive isn't it? :)

In reference to the .hack score for me:

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I'd been looking for part 4 for a while, and the shops where I am like to jack the price up to about 80 bucks, a friend in Texas found a copy for me for 25 bucks.  So.... yay?

It seems like it shouldn't be a big deal but I LOVE when the spines of games in a series match.

Finally got through the rest of the show. Great job guys.

Usually when I listen to your show, I wish I could join in the conversation and add my two cents. I really wanted to do that this time, as this is one of my favorite topics in regards to collecting, and seems to be always changing for me.

Anyway great show guys. Keep up the good work!

Congrats on finding part 4! That one took me over a year to find at a decent price.

Great show - and a healthy dialogue on collecting vs. gaming. As our time and responsibilities change, it is like a sliding scale (great note from earlier poster) on how we budget our energy around the hobby.

I am going to side with Bill (despite some serious bullying from Duke ;) ) when it comes to passing on cheap games. I'm at the point where just having something to have it doesn't work - especially with limited playing time. I totally get where Crabby was coming from with the entertainment of even just trying it out, but that time is limited also so then you're balancing THAT with playing games you know you like. This doesn't even take into account the physical space for storing or the time spent on re-selling/post office , etc, should you turnover your collection like that when you dislike something.  

Well this as an oldie-but-goodie. I'm glad you enjoyed the show, and I am a bit opinionated at times although I hope it keeps it entertaining. I've made some tidy profits on flips this year due to cheap grabs, so I'm still good with it.

Oh absolutely, like you surmised at the end - there's no wrong way. I should clarify my comment, I was referring to bargain GameStop $5 games that hold that exact value (or less), certainly nothing off about grabbing an undervalued asset for a profitable flip. You do a commendable job with the economics side of collecting on every show there, Duke.

Thanks. That makes my inner capitalist feel good.