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Apparently Crytek had the game engine running on Wii U without a hitch and at the last minute the plug was pulled.

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/01/crysis-3-not-coming-to-wii-u-and-its-eas-fault/

A sign of things to come?

WiiU hasn't had a game released for it in what almost 2 months now?
And it came out what like 2 months and a week ago?

I hope so

I hope not.

This is it, the Wii U is Nintendo's Dreamcast. Just like the Wii was. And the GameCube. And

the Dreamcast. Wait.

Considering the Wii U outsold 360 at launch 2:1, I don't think the Wii U is going anywhere  ::)

As much as I love Nintendo I'm not so optomistic. I think there is a good chance they are finally going to hurt this gen. I'm very interested in this coming year to see how it plays out with all the stuff rumored to be happening with modern gaming.

I think this upcoming generation will be a mess. A whole lot of "me too" android and linux consoles announced in the the old 3DO business model, the Wii U which will profit Nintendo even if it is #3 this time around, and whatever Microsoft has up its sleeve. Of course, if Sony isn't bleeding cash too badly we'll probably get that PS4 at some point as well.

It's starting to remind me of the wreck that was the birth of the 32-bit era.

Or The Crash at of the Atari Era?
Oversaturation?

Everything plays everything!
Everything does everything!

I really miss the days of heavy exclusives. Thats part of why I still favor Nintendo consoles a bit over the competition. At least they get more exclusives..... even if it is mainly Bratz games ;)

Wii U will be fine. Every gen and every new system people pull out the doom and gloom topics posts and articles. Just because something does not sell a gazillion in it's first few months does not determine it's a failure. It will be fine.

Just to clarify I agree that Nintendo will be fine. They position themselves to succeed financially even if they sell the least consoles of the bunch. I just have a feeling that unless something pretty significant happens this year they are going to trail in sales this time around, by quite a bit.

How many of those were purchased by resellers, though?  At the store I work at, we have had WiiU's sitting on the shelf at nearly all times since launch.  We've also had many returns from resellers.  Some guy even returned 3 at once.

If the article is true, Nintendo is incredibly stupid for not allowing Crysis 3 on WiiU.  Nintendo is clearly looking to attract a more mature audience with ZombiU, CODBLOPSII, and Darksiders II, but not allowing a potentially huge game like Crysis 3 seems to contradict that.

Here is a series of loosely connected thoughts on the subject.

1. I love (NES and SNES era) Nintendo.

2. It's been a LONG time since I was genuinely excited about anything Nintendo has done.  I'm VERY happy for the people who own a Wii U and are happy about their purchase but there is simply nothing that excites me about it.

3. I think Nintendo is going to be fine.

4. I think that Nintendo overestimated how excited people would be for the Wii U.

5.  I don't think that you can market a new system any worse than Nintendo did with the Wii U.

6.  I think that the Wii U sales figures will get better but not by very much.

7. I loved Crysis 2 and it's a shame that Wii U owners that don't own any other major console or a PC won't get to play it.

8.  Honestly, is there a large percentage of console gamers who own JUST ONE console?  I know we all have our preferences/favorites, but I would imagine only a small percentage own just one.

9.  Of all of the home console companies, Nintendo has always been the most reluctant to go after graphics and online experience, instead opting for innovation in other areas and it appears to be catching up with them now that their customers expect a certain level of graphic fidelity.

Sorry if that was weird.

There is many other games coming to Wii U. Crysis 3 does not mean OMG FAIL.

Still have Bayonetta 2,Rayman Legends,Aliens,Walking Dead,CoD,Wonderful 101,Lego City plus Mistwalker(The Last Story) & Monolith (Xenoblade) are working on new Wii U titles.

A total of 8 Wii U Games will be released between now and the end of March.  14 if you count E Shop releases.

http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-s-2013-wii-u-and-3ds-release-schedule-242578.phtml

There's a lot of naysayers about Nintendo this generation. I have a big article I've been working on about this upcoming generation and who we should really be looking at. I was worried about releasing it at first but maybe I should...

The WiiU might be in a bit of a slump now, but don't most consoles have their launch library, then a trickle of releases until big and smaller companies get more used to the new system?

Anyway, the 3DS is kicking ass, and with Pokemon X and Y coming this year then those handhelds will literally fly off the shelves.

Very true.  360 had a handful of good games at launch, then Burnout in Feb/March, then almost nothing until Dead Rising and Madden in August.

The 3DS took almost a year and a big price drop before it started doing well. 

The sales numbers aren't what bother me about the U.  They will definitely get better.

What bugs me is that their brand new next gen console isn't really the best at anything. 

It can't compete with the visual performance of 2 different 7 year old consoles
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-wii-u-face-off

Granted, visual performance isn't everything and it could just take some time for the developers to learn how to program for the U or that fact that it's a port, etc... But still, it's not a great sign.

Also, the touchpad on the Gamepad is resistive, not capacitive.  In a nutshell, it means that multi touch, pinch to zoom, gestures, and swiping are not possible.  Also, resistive screens rely on pressure on the screen instead of conductivity.  The technology only works if you are PRESSING on the screen of the gamepad which, as of yet, is not sold separately.

They also don't look like they have any interest in investing in any kind of meaningful online infrastructure.

I really don't mean for this to become a rant, and I'm sorry if it already has.  Also, if you love your Wii U and are excited about what's in the hopper, I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm happy that you are happy.  For me, personally, I just feel like Nintendo kind of has their head in the sand a little bit and I just can't get behind this hardware as long as they refuse to acknowledge the mistakes they've made in the past and start working on solutions.

lol nintendo

lol

I didn't know that about the touch screen.
So in a year or 2 you can expect new controllers with expanded features!

I was unaware of the Mistwalker and Monolith games in the pipe. Thats SUPER exciting!!!!

Agreed

EDMOND, Wash., Jan. 17, 2013 – Every video game offers a different experience. But only on Nintendo systems do these experiences transform into moments of shared joy and fun. It's the parent who pulls a game off the TV to play on the Wii U™ GamePad controller so the kids can watch cartoons. It's the group of friends passing the GamePad around the room and then sharing their experiences on Miiverse. It's the "you gotta see this" moment when people first experience glasses-free 3D and augmented reality on a Nintendo 3DS™ system.

The holiday season added many new Wii U and Nintendo 3DS owners who have already begun to discover these joyful moments together. Nintendo now builds on their enthusiasm with a fun lineup of games for early 2013.

"During the holidays we saw new players respond positively to new game-play experiences using the Wii U GamePad controller and the true 3D of Nintendo 3DS," said Scott Moffitt, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of Sales & Marketing. "With such a diverse lineup of games on the horizon, people will experience a variety of ways to play, whether they're using the GamePad to scan for criminals or seeing ghosts in 3D on the Nintendo 3DS screen."

New on Wii U

The Wii U home console launched to great acclaim on Nov. 18 with the largest lineup of games in Nintendo history. The fun continues into 2013 with the upcoming release of LEGO City: Undercover on March 18. In this original LEGO game, exclusive to Wii U, players assume the role of Chase McCain, a tough-as-nails police officer who is a master of disguise. The massive, open world of LEGO City lets players explore the city using numerous vehicles from the real-life play sets to pursue criminal mastermind Rex Fury. On March 19, the fan-favorite Monster Hunter series descends on Wii U and Nintendo 3DS with Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate. The action RPG's expansive, gorgeous world features more to do than ever before. Players can hunt monsters, upgrade equipment and improve skills while they take part in more than 200 challenging quests.

Game & Wario™, The Wonderful 101™, Pikmin™ 3 and Wii Fit™ U will arrive in the first half of the year. Additional information about launch timing for these games will be announced at a later date.

To ensure that Wii U users get the most out of their GamePad controller, Nintendo will be offering a Wii U GamePad Accessory Set to help owners protect their screens. The set will be available at stores on Feb. 4 for a suggested retail price of $12.99 and includes a Wii U GamePad screen protector that fits over the screen to protect it from scratches and dirt, an extra-large stylus for comfortable touch-screen game play and a cleaning cloth.

New on Nintendo 3DS

The Nintendo 3DS hand-held system continues its momentum going into 2013. Launching on Feb. 4 is Fire Emblem Awakening, a fantasy turn-based strategy game for Nintendo 3DS. On the same day, Nintendo will release a special bundle of the Nintendo 3DS system that has Fire Emblem Awakening pre-installed on the hardware. The blue hardware features Fire Emblem artwork and a 4GB SD memory card, and will be available at a suggested retail price of $199.99. A demo of Fire Emblem Awakening will be available today in the Nintendo eShop.

Brain Age: Concentration Training for Nintendo 3DS arrives on Feb. 10 to build on the mainstream appeal of the celebrated Brain Age series with new challenges to help players concentrate as they block out distractions. A demo will also be available in the Nintendo eShop on Jan. 24. On March 24, fans of the original Luigi's Mansion have reason to celebrate with the release of Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. In this game, a timid Luigi travels through more mansions and captures more ghosts using his upgraded Poltergust 5000. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity also hits the Nintendo 3DS system on March 24. In addition to playing as a Pokémon, players explore ever-changing Mystery Dungeons as they build Pokémon Paradise and recruit more Pokémon to their team. There is also a deep and compelling story full of unexpected twists. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity makes the most of the features of the Nintendo 3DS system, such as the ability to use the system's camera to open Magnagates – portals to new Mystery Dungeons in the real world. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate comes to Nintendo 3DS on March 5. This sequel takes place 25 years after Castlevania: Lords of Shadow and follows the famous Belmont clan as they set out to find and destroy the ruthless Dracula. The action-filled game features multiple playable characters and combines both 2D classic side-scrolling game play with full 3D areas. On April 21, another entry in the LEGO City: Undercover series arrives on Nintendo 3DS. LEGO City Undercover: The Chase Begins is a prequel to the Wii U game, and follows the exploits of Chase McCain as a rookie cop.

Below is a partial list of upcoming launch dates in the United States and Canada. Note that game titles and launch dates are subject to change.

Wii U

Activision
The Amazing Spider-Man™ Ultimate Edition - March
The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct - March 26

Capcom
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - March 19

D3Publisher
The Croods: Prehistoric Party! - March 19

Electronic Arts
Need For Speed Most Wanted - March 19

Nintendo
LEGO® City: Undercover - March 18

SEGA
Aliens™: Colonial Marines - Q1

Ubisoft
Rayman® Legends - Feb. 26

Nintendo eShop for Wii U

Gaijin Games
BIT.TRIP Presents... Runner2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien - Q1

Neko
Puddle - Q1

SEGA
The Cave™ - Jan. 22

TECMO KOEI AMERICA Corp.
Fist of the North Star®: Ken's Rage 2 - Feb. 7

Two Tribes
Toki Tori 2 - Q1

Zen Studios
Zen Pinball 2 - Q1

Wii

D3Publisher
The Croods: Prehistoric Party! - March 19

Talking Stick Games
Kids Learn Pets and Vets Bundle - March 12

XSEED Games
Pandora's Tower™ - Spring

Nintendo 3DS

ATLUS (Index Digital Media, Inc.)
Etrian Odyssey™IV: Legends of the Titan - Feb. 26
Shin Megami Tensei®: Devil Summoner®: Soul Hackers - April 16

Capcom
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - March 19

D3Publisher
The Croods: Prehistoric Party! - March 19

Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate - March 5
Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 3D - Feb. 12

Little Orbit
Monster High™ Skultimate Roller Maze™ - March 13

NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc.
NARUTO® Powerful Shippuden - March 5

Nintendo
Brain Age™: Concentration Training - Feb. 10
Fire Emblem Awakening - Feb. 4
LEGO® City Undercover: The Chase Begins - April 21
Luigi's Mansion™: Dark Moon - March 24
Pokémon™ Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity - March 24

SEGA
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed™ - Feb. 12

Nintendo eShop for Nintendo 3DS

Agetec, Inc.
Bloody Vampire - Jan. 31
Witch's Cat - Jan. 31

Big John Games
Coaster Creator 3D - Q1

Capcom
Resident Evil®: The Mercenaries 3D - Q1

Disney Interactive
Disney/Pixar Finding Nemo: Escape to the Big Blue - Jan. 17

Maximum Games
Deer Drive Legends - Jan. 17

Nicalis
Ikachan - Q1
Guxt - Q1

Nintendo
Tokyo Crash Mobs™ - Jan. 17
Fire Emblem Awakening DEMO - Jan. 17
Brain Age™: Concentration Training DEMO - Jan. 24

Renegade Kid
ATV Wild Ride 3D - Q1

Rising Star Games
Jewel Master: Cradle of Egypt 2 - March 19

Shin'en
Nano Assault EX - Q1

Ubisoft
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon® Shadow Wars - Jan. 24
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell® 3D - Q1

Nintendo DS

D3Publisher
The Croods: Prehistoric Party! - March 19

Talking Stick Games
Kids Learn Animals Bundle - Feb. 26
Kids Learn Math and Spelling Bundle - Feb. 26
Kids Learn Pets and Horse Bundle - March 26

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=194396

There are some awesome games in that list!

I'm a little confused...That's the same list of games that I linked to a few posts above.  I'm not sure what you're pointing out with that.

Link-Just wondering what you are looking forward to on the U.  I've never played a Monster Hunter but I've heard it's a solid game.

I've always been a one console at a time guy. :)

Console monogamy is something i frown upon.

Rayman Legends, Need For Speed: Most Wanted, Bayonetta 2, LEGO City: Undercover, The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate and Aliens: Colonial Marines.

Pikmin 3 and Bayonetta 2 for me. My son would probably really like LEGO Undercover too.

3DS looks strong here.  Happy about that cause I actually have a 3DS and probably won't get a WiiU anytime soon.

Some sites are starting to post news of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 as being Wii U bound. A must have title for me, also cool to see it so early in the system's life rather than the end like it was for the Wii.

That would be awesome.

Question

How is The Wii U a next gen console? It seems to me Nintendo has been a generation. Seems to me the Wii U is a current gen system with the 360 and PS3. It finally caught up with online, HD and storage.

No it uses a more modern graphics card and much more ram than PS3 or 360. Like PS3 peak is 230GFLPS Wii U is over 500. The GPU is  a GPGPU from last year. Nota GPU from 2004. It would actually cost more to make a machine only last gen specs because they would have to have every part custom made from discontinued parts from 9 years ago. Wii they at least had Gamecube chips and overclocked them. Also Go look at X. Sorry PS3 nor 360 can do that. PC but not PS3 or 360. Also it's next gen because  specs never determine the next generation in a console release. Just the fact it's a successor does. Also people seem to forget the weaker console nearly always wins the console war. Atari,NES,PSOne,PS2,GB,DS,3DS,Wii

That makes sense. Thanks

I read an article on Extremetech about the raw performance numbers and they seem extremely similar to "current gen" systems.

"the Wii U’s tri-core PowerPC 750-alike CPU clocks in at exactly 1.243125GHz. For comparison, the CPUs of the Xbox 360 (also tri-core) and PlayStation 3 run at around 3.0GHz each. The Wii U’s GPU core clocks in at 549.999755MHz, compared to the Xbox 360′s 550MHz GPU. He noted that the CPU was similar to the Wii’s Broadway, but with more cache."

I think that "next generation" and "state of the art" are often confused with each other.  Is the Wii U the "next generation" of Nintendo consoles?  Yes, it is the latest Nintendo console to be released.  Is the technology "state of the art"? No.  When people say "next generation", I think they are thinking of "cutting edge", "latest a greatest", "best hardware possible", "unlike anything else on the market today', etc.  Is the Wii U "state of the art"?  No.  But to be fair, no gaming console ever is.  They are machines designed to be moderately affordable and appeal to as large and broad an audience as possible.

At the end of the day, the numbers don't really mean as much to me as whether or not a console can provide a great gaming experience. 

I played the "my hardware has better numbers than your hardware" in 1995 when the 32X came out.  It could totally render more triangles per second than any other system on the market.  It had more RISCs, MIPS, and kBs than anything else, but it failed. 

All I'm saying is that hardware performance never guarantees success.

Also you can't compare a CPU from 2004 to a CPU from 2012.

A Pentium 4 at GHz is still slower than a core 2 duo at GHz. Chip design is very different.

Dunno where you got all your hardware faqs for the WiiU but comparing it to PS3 and 360 it looks like it is barely on par for the same system specs.

Of course they all have their own CPU and specific video card but looks like their speeds are pretty much all on par(barring PS3 and its 24,313 processors)

2600 was the most affordable and most widely available of the systems available. It was also not the weakest of generation 1. That being said if memory serves the 2600 never actually turned a profit, 5200 was a failure and 7800 was a failure. Oh and every other atari system released... commercial failure...

NES only beat the SMS in Japan and USA. SMS won in South America, Europe, Australia

SNES beat genesis. Genny was released 2 years earlier and used chips from the 70s. SNES had chips designed specifically for it.

PSOne beat n64 because it was supported AND affordable unlike every other system that came out during this generation

PS2 now an established brand and most powerful console until the upstart Xbox was released a year later.

GB-3DS Oh hey look at all those over priced, undersupported and/or weaker handhelds that tried to claw out an existence!

Wii - Uhhhh last gen was a sad 3way tie. Wii being to paraphrase "a tweaked gamecube with motion controls that people still bought gamecube controllers to use", PS3 being a bluray player and 360 being propped up by online gameplay.


EDIT
Also it should be obvious that a slim 360 and a launch 360 will have some different hardware in them. The same for launch and slim PS3 and many of the other minor revisions consoles undergo throughout their life cycles.
Hell i had 2 atomic purple GBCs and you could clearly see(since it was that seethrough gatorady color) that the chips were different.

Overall sales the NES beat it and Atari was dead by then. Atari even said way back when 7800 was not meant as a direct competitor but a budget console.

And yes Wii U is very much above 360/PS3. ADO any actual research and you would know. While I know SHadow works at EA my best buddy works at R* so he also gives me insight. Mostly it's been reading heavy on the system and it has had a tear down the GPU is based on the e6760 hd. Also good luck running X from Monolith on 360 or PS3.

WiiU definitely has a lot more RAM to play with and the games that are currently available on the system are launch titles - do you remember how bad a lot of the launch titles were for the Xbox 360 and PS3? Many of those titles were developed against an API and system that was yet to finalize, and they look similar to current games being released on Xbox 360 and PS3, so give the WiiU time to mature before passing final judgement on it. The real comparison will come once the next generation of consoles have all been released.

With that being said, there are likely other reasons why Crysis 3 isn't being released on WiiU. I can't think that the developers would just do a straight port with the main control scheme being completely different from all of the other platforms. Another thing to consider is that, in the past, certain titles weren't released due to lack or polish or lack of profit margin, when the money being invested could be better used on another project.

WiiU hasn't shown strong sales figures quite yet, and I'm not aware of any attachment rate statistics that have been publicized, but it seems like the level of audience just may not be there for Crysis 3 to be published on WiiU. Perhaps it will be shelved and brought up again when the WiiU shows that it has the hardcore audience needed for Crysis 3, or maybe even get a new release like FarCry Instincts did.

How is this more complex than the fact that they got the Crytek engine running on the Wii U? That could have been done for various reasons aside from getting the game on there. It could be used to see how powerful the console is in an environment they already have experience in to plan for other games.

The article states that the engine was running on WiiU - not that the game was almost complete. You can get an engine running and be missing most of the gameplay.


Crytek just bought the Homefront IP from THQ, which includes Homefront 2. I wonder what they could do with it...maybe toss it into the Crytek engine that is now running on WiiU?

The WiiU is definitely a next-generation console, but I believe it will end up like the Wii with regards to it's horsepower.  The PS4 and Xbox 720 are set to be released within a year and a half, and all signs point to those consoles being more powerful than the WiiU.

Granted, numbers mean nothing unless they're utilized correctly.  I will likely eventually buy every console at some point, so I have no preference either way.

Wow does this game look great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AIs4t6f7Z_Y

http://www.trueachievements.com/n12059/crysis-3-open-mp-beta-detailed.htm

looks awesome. hopefully it will have directX 11 support on launch for PC...that was really stupid how it only had 9.0c for crysis 2 for so long

Holy crap.  I hadn't seen any footage yet.  I usually avoid anything that has to do with a game that I want to play but I snuck a peek at that video and I'm so glad that I overhauled the PC recently.

Next gen, I expect Microsoft to see the hurt for sales when its new console launches. After seeing their laziness in the last three years of just bouncing Fable/Halo/Forza/Gears around, and not releasing any new IP's unlike their competitors. And if they think they can get away with charging for Xbox Live when PS4 will do all the same things for free, they have another thing coming. This laziness of relying on Third Party support is more then likely attibuting to the slowdown in hardware sales. Hopefully at E3 they can surprise me. Because as it stands, if they intend to carry on that way, I will not be supporting the Xbox 720...

I'm not a fan of the 360 either, but I think you're delusional. They are going to be the ones to beat this time around (speaking for North America).

I agree with Bil too (I know I'm as surprised as you are!). I've never cared in the least about the specs of system when considering them "next-gen". Wii U can do something new and cool, check. Gonna have new games on it, check. My next gen list has been satisfied.

I've only had a 360 for the last ~3 years. I've had a Wii for the last 5+ years.

I will end up with a WiiU probably before the next Xbox and most likely both of them before the PS4.
As it stands now i'm not overly interested in jumping to the next gen. I never have been.

If Nintendo can do something to capture the market then they will likely own it. I just think it's too bad I don't care that much.  About the only thing that I ask would be for Rockstar to put Red Dead on the PC, other than that I'm perfectly happy with my older games.  I already have too much to play as it is.

I don't know if Microsoft will have the sales it had with 360 if they continue with relying on 3rd Party games. Not that they will go broke, I just can't see that business pattern working out for them in the long run. But like I said, I hope E3 proves me wrong...