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So in the last couple years that I've been going a bit crazy with collecting I've noticed a few things which always seem to happen when I find anything Sega related and in a decently sized lot, or even by itself. So I'm starting a list of Sega Laws that I think we can build on.

First Law of Sega: Any and all Genesis lots must include Sonic 2 and/or Mortal Kombat.
Second Law of Sega: Saturn sports games will have amazing cases, games you care about will have shitty cases.
Third Law of Sega: The ratio of complete:incomplete Dreamcast games increases exponentially as rarity and/or demand increases.

Fourth Law of Sega: Any console purchased in a lot will be missing at least one required component.

Well as as a huge fan of the Genesis/Mega Drive Here are the top 10 games you will always find in a lot.

Sonic the Hedgehog 2          
Sonic the Hedgehog             
Sonic the Hedgehog 3             
Mortal Kombat       
Sonic and Knuckles             
Aladdin             
Mortal Kombat II             
The Lion King          
Streets of Rage 2             
X-Men

Plastic cases on the Saturn most likely will have some pressure applied to the cases in the many years after they have been released. Such as stacking, smashing, child abuse, random storage over the years Ect... They will crack over time. Ive had to pay a pretty penny myself for Sega Saturn games without cracked cases.

I can't help you on the third one as I don't collect for the Dreamcast, but I will eventually.

Controller?

Technically, a controller is a required component for the console to function.

Umm... at least in my area on Craigslist they seem to always be missing the A/V cords, now that I think about it... I could be wrong.

Fifth Law: The SEGA version will always be less valuable than Nintendo (even if the game is better.)

How about the 80% chance that boxed games will be missing the manuals?

Well I really did enjoy Super Mario All-Stars. That was apparently given away for free. Hmm... Genesis six pak or Super Mario All-Stars... Their both delicious.  

I disagree with the Third Law.  Complete, even sealed games are out there.  You typically pay a premium for them.

I propose a new Sega law.  Dreamcast imports "Complete with obi" ship more often from Hong Kong than Tokyo.

They do exist, the third law does not say they don't. But every time I've run into a DC game that would command a premium complete it is almost always a loose disc. Its part of the reason my collection is still small, I find loose DC discs all the time and they're scratched to hell, unless they're stupidly common. If they're common then they're almost always complete and way overpriced "Because anything Dreamcast is rare," the dumb sellers say.

I never run into that 3rd law so I disagree. It's rare I see a loose DC game. So rare I can't remember the last time it happened.

Oh, you foolish mortals and your silly little laws...


My best friend picked up a Genesis lot while yard sale'ing on Saturday.

While it DID include Mortal Kombat, there was no Sonic 2 to be found.

It did, however, come with two copies of Sonic Spinball.

Doin' good so far...


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This lot had all the hookups: power cord, two 3-button controllers, and an RF switch.


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This one's for you, Shoboni...

I personally have never encountered a loose Dreamcast title.

Then again, it might just be that I've never encountered the truly "rare" ones.


What's the next case on the docket?

Sixth Law: Most complete Dreamcast collections are on burned discs.

Thats actually true. And is also a good way to kill the GD ROM drive on your system quickly.

I disagree

This debate will never ever ever end. If you are not educated on the subject you shouldn't be preaching this.

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I own 41 boxed NTSC Genesis games, only 10 of which are missing manuals, giving my collection a missing-manuals rate of less than 25%.

However, there just might be someone out there who has the same number of boxed Genesis games, and none with any manuals at all... though that'd be kinda weird.


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I'm gonna hafta concur with Tynstar on this one.

The way i see it, unless all the components of a collection are legitimate, what you have is an incomplete collection with bootlegged placeholders.

I found 6 boxed Mega Drive games today in a charity shop:
Sonic 1
PGA Tour Golf
Some other EA sports game I forgot the name of
Batman
Lemmings
Ecco The Dolphin

I only picked up the last 3, but out of the 6, only Sonic 1 was missing the manual.

I'd say out of all the Genesis game I have 2% are missing the manuals, but that's also because I avoid buying uncomplete so it's not much of a true stat.

I have 713 Genesis games and they all have manuals.

Is that a complete NA set, or chunks of everything?

I imagine that games on the Genesis would have a much higher rate of CIB or cart & manual than many cart games due to the versatile case.  The Genesis games I have picked up while on The Hunt are either loose or CIB (with the majority CIB) everytime.

What's funny about the loose DC games sub-discussion is around where I live loose DC games were quite common until Gamestop ceased carrying them, then it dried up seemingly overnight

Complete NA collection

Well done. I'll be there in about 2 years!

Miracle Piano was the last game I got. Pain to find CIB.

Fortunately, with your help, I knocked that one out last year. I've barely put a dent in anything though this year...

Seeing as how I've made objections to several so-called "Laws' of Sega, I figure it's only fair I add my own for you to consider.

There are two types of owners of the Sonic & Knuckles lock-on cartridge:

1) Those who have locked non-Sonic Genesis/MD games onto it, jammed the whole shebang into their console, and turned it on, and just to see if anything cool would happen,

2) those who have never done this for fear of shorting out the console, or something similarly bad happening.


Then there's this: Take your S&K cartridge, lock Sonic 2 or Sonic 3 onto it, connect that to a Genesis/MD Game Genie, and then pop that into your console, and you pretty much have the nerdiest Lego set ever.

Well, whattaya all think?

I've tried to see how many passthrough carts you can use. I think I topped out at 6 before they fell over.

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If that were a model 1 Gen/MD with a model 1 SCD/MCD, then it'd be taller!

That has led me to wonder:

What would happen if you attempted to play Sonic & Knuckles locked onto another S&K cart?

Would it cause some kind of divide-by-zero paradox-type thing that would result in the end of the universe as we know it?

I shudder at the very thought of it...

That's what my tower of power is composed of.


That's how you unlock Dr. Robotnik as a playable character... right? ;)

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Someone is compensating.

BTW that thing is bending the exact same way as...

...oh dear, will you look at the time.

Gotta book...

I counted 24 Sonic and Knuckles.

I knew there were 24 without having to count.

Click on the pic and you go to:

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So there!

Hey, I wonder if this trick gives you 3 extra lives for every cart you lock-on?

Its more fun to count for yourself.